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"Provided that they live in truly free society where lying and propaganda is not prevalent."
No. That has nothing to do with the fact that they have committed murder.
"Well, reality is probabilistic. If polticians repeatedly make choices that fuck with people, they are at fault."
The people still made their decision, and knew what the consequence would be. It is their fault.
"Said blame isn't helping either."
If said 'blame' was enforced in the form of laws, it *would* help.
"Your question seems to implicate that having a kid with a non-ideal phenotype is gambling with said kids life. Newsflash; every parent does that, and to spread your genes even though they are not perfect is not immoral."
Its not just 'not perfect', it is that it is a serious disease that could have very serious consequences for the child's future, and could result in the need for a late-term abortion to save the mother's life, if the mother's health gets threatened. Again, they are gambling with lives other than their own, and this is not responsible or compassionate.
"You refuse to establish limits that can be universalized and you use an emotional, non-accurrate term as if it makes you solid. You offer few facts and have likened a woman to a female dog. Not good."
Establish limmits that can be universalized? Use an emotional, non-accurate term as if it makes me solid? Likened a woman to a female dog? Explain.
I don't need to offer *many* facts as long as I offer a few good ones that prop up my argument, which I do. Anyway, I do offer many facts.
"They are blankets."
Words are just symbols, essentially, that represent things in reality, much like numbers. However, you happen to have a very disgusting word that represents you (fascist). This is not something to be proud of.
"Not at the expense of human existence."
It is the fault of said humans that the life is there. Considering that, I have no issue with holding them at fault and making them pay.
"But they have unique genetic codes and exhibit all the faculties you've listed."
Yet are still not genetically human. Quite a crucial difference to me.
"DNA doesn't make any difference;"
LOL, yeah, who gives a fuck about DNA? Unimportant shit, right?
"life is incredibly complex no matter where you look, but it is our brains that makes us human."
Human DNA makes you human, not just your human brain.
"If one took a human brain, suspended it in some stable liquid and played upon it expertly, the lack of a body would not even be registered."
Doesn't change the fact that they are human lives, are innocent, are conscious, can possibly feel, and that it is the duty of good government to protect them.
"If they're not compiling their experiences in a brain that is more advanced than a fish, they are fish."
No, they are genetically human. They are not fish.
"Well, I agree. Stick that on a banner and kiss a few babies. Meanwhile, in complexworld..."
Good.
"If you want to make me change my views, don't tell me to. You're not a veru good marketer of your ideas."
Sure. Go ahead and be a fascist sexist if you like then.