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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Xel 2006-09-06 18:01

"The responsibility and blame lies squarely and fairly upon them." Provided that they live in truly free society where lying and propaganda is not prevalent.
"Individuals still have the option to not make stupid decisions." Well, reality is probabilistic. If polticians repeatedly make choices that fuck with people, they are at fault.
"Absolving them of blame for making stupid decisions is not going to reduce the number of said stupid decisions." Said blame isn't helping either.
"What can I say, they told me all the stuff I had already learned myself years before.  They talked all about the various STDs you can get, they talked about the effectiveness and price of various methods of contraception, they talked about myths, they talked about a lot of stuff.  Too much for me to tell you about all in this paragraph in response to your post." Sounds reasonable, and I'd pay for it.
"I fail to see how this addresses my question." Your question seems to implicate that having a kid with a non-ideal phenotype is gambling with said kids life. Newsflash; every parent does that, and to spread your genes even though they are not perfect is not immoral.
"Yes, because I'm consistent, don't think women should have the right to kill human babies, and dislike fascist feminazis, my sentiments hold no value." You refuse to establish limits that can be universalized and you use an emotional, non-accurrate term as if it makes you solid. You offer few facts and have likened a woman to a female dog. Not good.
"I seriously doubt it.  People have been preaching doomsday for centuries now, and likely longer.  Guess what? The sun tends to rise the next day, and the end of the world wasn't upon us all the previous times." Things have a tendency to accumulate nonetheless. Ah, it doesn't matter. For some reason humanity's survival doesn't... Concern me for some reason.
"Yeah, 'fascist' and 'authoritarian' are 'just words', just like 'communism', 'totalitarianism', 'racism', 'sexism' 'genocide', 'murder', 'police-state', etc." They are blankets.
"You are still a human life, and it is the proper duty of good and just government to defend human life." Not at the expense of human existence.
"Wrong, fish aren't human." But they have unique genetic codes and exhibit all the faculties you've listed. DNA doesn't make any difference; life is incredibly complex no matter where you look, but it is our brains that makes us human. If one took a human brain, suspended it in some stable liquid and played upon it expertly, the lack of a body would not even be registered.
"lol @ xel for thinking unborn babies are only as special or deserving of life as a fish." If they're not compiling their experiences in a brain that is more advanced than a fish, they are fish.
"Employers have the right to hire, fire, or not hire whomever they please.  They have the right to sell or not sell to whomever they please.  Employment should be entirely voluntary.  Nobody has a 'right' to a job.  Nobody has a 'right' to the money of others." Well, I agree. Stick that on a banner and kiss a few babies. Meanwhile, in complexworld...
"Good.  Since your position isn't iron-cast, change it.  As I said, it is still essentially sexist." If you want to make me change my views, don't tell me to. You're not a veru good marketer of your ideas.
"This forum? I like this forum." This forum is overrun with scratched LPs. I was referring to another one.

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