>>591 "And I am saying that the fact that those laws are there (though the laws don't help any) do not absolve the parties involved of their irresponsible, stupid decisions." But these factors impair individuals to a degree that their abortions spill over a critical limit that you can't set down. Laws are one thing, logistical problems are another.
"They aren't causing the flow, the individual is." No, their policies are causing the individuals to cause the flow.
"It is the woman's responsibility then, in said situation." Mmhm, in said situation.
"Yes, to satisfy their own selfish desires, they are attempting to create a baby who will then possibly have to put up with having the same diseases and problems as the parents." They've put up with the disease so far. They are not gambling with the child's life, since they are providing it in the first place.
"Fascist." I guess I deserve that moniker, semantically. Actually, I know many women who treat discrimination the way they treat some gum stuck on their soles. So maybe I should reconsider the value of *direct* government regulation. Maybe some kind of super-strong consumer group that tells discriminating companies to change or die. Microsoft had to realize it messed with the wrong people, but consumers don't seem to be ready to make companies accountable, and that has very worrying implications.
"And their means are fascist and authoritarian." Don't try to smother this with pregnant words.
"And are not conscious, cannot feel, etc." Hello again, kitty!
"No. Genetically human + consciousness and or feeling = human life." Human existence, human self > human life.
"It has nothing to do with what you or your brain can do. It has to do with what can be considered human life. Obviously something that is genetically human, and exhibits some of the characteristics of life, such as consciousness and senses, is to be considered a 'human life', and thus protected by government, since the proper function of government is to defend human life." Well, there is no individuality. Nothing to really distance it from a cancer.
"And conscious and or feeling flesh that is genetically human should not be aborted." So a lump of human cells communicating with a hind brain is human life.
"Nobody should have the right to violate the rights of others for the sake of promoting their agenda. Fascism is bad mmk?" Well, in this case culture are free to do whatever.
"I realize equal rights, and defend equal rights, etc." Realize, as in making real. The causes of women and racial minorities are our causes.
"Activity to advance the lives of women and women only is essentially reverse sexism." Not if it is checked and balanced.
" Even you agreed at this point they are to be considered 'humans', not 'maybe-humans'. Furthermore, I don't consider murder laws to be fascist, but whatever." Well, I will only consider something life once a unique, human persona is cast-iron proven. Let's not forget that all the building material has been provided by the *woman*, yet the child automatically makes it *own* mind.
>>592 Simplistic, quite simplistic.
>>597 "None of the anti-feminists here have been saying that, so I'm going to disregard this post as a baseless smear attempt." I find it good to know what real insanity sounds like.
>>596 O rly?