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"Well, the factors are bullshit. I am attacking the hipocrisy of blaming irresponsibility when certain absurd factors have an unneccesary, obvious causation."
And I am saying that the fact that those laws are there (though the laws don't help any) do not absolve the parties involved of their irresponsible, stupid decisions.
"And these laws should be broken."
I don't disagree. However, the said parties are still responsible for their actions made in the interim.
"It is not their responsibility to cause the flow and blame it on the individual either."
They aren't causing the flow, the individual is. The individual makes the decision already with the laws factored in, and the result is an unwanted pregnancy. Their fault, and their problem.
"Fair enough. If he is ready to be a parent or be forced to pay C S if he gets cold feet he needs to be ensured he can say something about his genetic property. So the parts sign a pre-nookie contract. Good luck making that a common practice."
Well good, we agree then. It is the woman's responsibility then, in said situation.
"Okay, but he needs to sign a contract first."
Sign a contract for what? Child support laws are already on the books, and as long as they are, no abortions should be allowed without mutual consent, since the kid is half his.
"They are creating life. That might die. Eep."
Yes, to satisfy their own selfish desires, they are attempting to create a baby who will then possibly have to put up with having the same diseases and problems as the parents. They are risking perpetuating the very disease that causes their unhappiness in order to make themselves happy in a particularly selfish, uncompassionate, and irresponsible manner.
"If this arbitrary imposition is handled well and has innate checks and balances I will support it."
Fascist.
"Depends on the accuracy and effects of said means."
And their means are fascist and authoritarian.
"They have a unique genetic code, use aerobic respiration and whatnot."
And are not conscious, cannot feel, etc.
"Since any animal can feel and have consciousness, and since physical likeness has no objective value, we look to the chalice of humanity, the brain."
No. Genetically human + consciousness and or feeling = human life.
"Yeah, what can my brain do that I can't do myself."
It has nothing to do with what you or your brain can do. It has to do with what can be considered human life. Obviously something that is genetically human, and exhibits some of the characteristics of life, such as consciousness and senses, is to be considered a 'human life', and thus protected by government, since the proper function of government is to defend human life.
"Flesh is flesh, DNA is DNA."
And conscious and or feeling flesh that is genetically human should not be aborted.
" They believe it is their only choice. I can't assess that claim yet."
Nobody should have the right to violate the rights of others for the sake of promoting their agenda. Fascism is bad mmk?
"Granting and realizing are two different verbs. For a reason."
I realize equal rights, and defend equal rights, etc.
"So when half of humanity is below the other, raising it will automatically place it above the other?"
Activity to advance the lives of women and women only is essentially reverse sexism.
"Well, I'm just not pleased with the world."
Well, neither am I. But I don't resort to fascism to support my personal agenda.
"Unfortunately, yes."
Well that makes you fascistic.
"So is a ban of abortions in order to favor 15500 maybe-humans."
15,500 'maybe' humans? No, those are late term abortions, sorry. Even you agreed at this point they are to be considered 'humans', not 'maybe-humans'. Furthermore, I don't consider murder laws to be fascist, but whatever.