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"It's unneccesary. If I find it justified to harm or destroy someone I might as well do so in a relaxed manner."
Lots of things are unnecessary. Drug use is unnecessary, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. It is a personal decision, just like mine.
"Per se, yes. But the motivations of that position are authoritarian."
I fail to see how.
"Nope, I am saying they are taking a shortcut."
Explain.
"Well, both before and after conception many obstacles and factors apply."
Those are already factored into her decision she made at the time, and she made it anyway.
"And the choice of the man."
I'm not denying the man is partly responsible for the kid, but she can't possibly blame *him* for the fact that *she* is pregnant, when it was *her* decisions that resulted in *her* pregnancy. Having the kid is without a doubt something that should effect the man. Becoming pregnant is the woman's problem to deal with, and her decisions brought it upon her. Don't say it is the man's decision, because it isn't, unless we are talking about rape, which we aren't.
"Yipee. More laws with no positive effect that will cost moolah to put into practice."
This is redundant, the government has a duty to defend the right to life. This would entail banning late-term abortions with the aforementioned exceptions.
"They are creating life and should be honored for it. The status of that life is apparently not an issue to you so why are you sobbing now?"
What? People should not be honored for gambling with their children's lives, futures, health, and overall well being. No, this is not acting in good conscience. Sorry, Kumori fails.
I have no issue with honoring people who create life in a responsible, compassionate manner. Gambling with children's lives, futures, health, and well being, is not responsible or compassionate.
"And I want to earn my disapproval by looking at causation and the situations that apply to my subjects."
I fail to see how this would make me or my position authoritarian, or how it would refute my quoted comment you cited.
"Well, there's legal protection and then there's culture. Guess what, they're not reflective of each other."
In case you didn't know it, women have equal protection under the law in the United States. I don't see what you are saying, or how there is a problem.
"Pain is not the issue, the proven status of the fetus as a lump with a unique personality concocted by human cerebral faculties is the issue."
No, it is an issue. Senses are a part of what makes a human being a human being. Here are some of the aspects of life that should be considered in this debate, according to wikipedia:
" 1. consciousness (of objects and events external and/or internal to the being), and in particular the capacity to feel pain
2. reasoning (the developed capacity to solve new and relatively complex problems)
3. self-motivated activity (activity which is relatively independent of either genetic or direct external control)
4. the capacity to communicate, by whatever means, messages of an indefinite variety of types, that is, not just with an indefinite number of possible contents, but on indefinitely many possible topics
5. the presence of self-concepts, and self-awareness, either individual or racial, or both"
Senses, and the ability to sense things, as it states above (pain), is a factor to be considered.
"Animals have consciousness and feeling as well."
But are not human. It is the proper function of good government to defend human life.
"If there is no brain to accumulate and compile these electric transmissions then yes."
Consciousness and senses would require something akin to a brain.
"So, create a better culture and prove when the fetus can develop a unique personality. Being such a rational being I'm sure you can find a solution like snap."
The notion that 'culture' or 'society' needs to bend and conform to your wishes, and act how you please, is very authoritarian. It is not our place to judge our culture, or to use the government to manipulate it, or create a new one. The government exists to defend life, liberty, and property, and that's it.