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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Xel 2006-09-05 14:00

"Why? There's nothing wrong with hating people who commit wrong." It's unneccesary. If I find it justified to harm or destroy someone I might as well do so in a relaxed manner.
"My position is very libertarian." Per se, yes. But the motivations of that position are authoritarian.
"Are you saying that capitalists who then say that poor people are poor due to personal decisions are 'authoritarian'?" Nope, I am saying they are taking a shortcut. "Don't make me laugh." Why? Will your teeth fly out?
"The woman is in the position she is in due to her own irresponsibility, and I have no sympathy for her." I don't have any sympathy either. I have understanding and a desire to dissect rather than comment.
"She made a decision knowing there was some risk involved, and the risk ended up biting her in the ass." Well, both before and after conception many obstacles and factors apply.
"Too bad for her it was her choice that put her there." And the choice of the man.
"Throw those who commit them in jail just like you would a murderer." Yipee. More laws with no positive effect that will cost moolah to put into practice.
"Gambling with your children's health, lives, and general well-being for the sake of satisfying personal desires is not 'acting in good conscience' in my opinion." They are creating life and should be honored for it. The status of that life is apparently not an issue to you so why are you sobbing now?
"I disaprove of said women and their decisions, but I am not going to try to ban sex among diseased women." And I want to earn my disapproval by looking at causation and the situations that apply to my subjects.
"This is not an issue.  I'd like to offer the same sort of legal protections to the mother as I would the conscious/feeling/living human fetus.  Why bother to say this? I have never advocated denying women the same legal protection as men." Well, there's legal protection and then there's culture. Guess what, they're not reflective of each other.
"Sure.  This doesn't alter the validity of my statement.  Once we know when it can feel pain, or has senses, no more abortions after that point, with the aforementioned exceptions." Pain is not the issue, the proven status of the fetus as a lump with a unique personality concocted by human cerebral faculties is the issue.
"No, not a 'unique personality', once it has consciousness and or feeling, no more abortion, with the aforementioned exceptions." Animals have consciousness and feeling as well. Humanity lies in the brain.
"That is not relevant to the fact that you should not be allowed to commit infanticide, regardless of the fact that the babies' mind does not mature until a while after birth." I don't care whether the kid has a mature mind or not. I just wonder when that kid is a unique iteration of humanity.
"So are you trying to say that abortion should be generally allowed even when the fetus has attained consciousness and or senses?" If there is no brain to accumulate and compile these electric transmissions then yes.
"No, it doesn't.  The fetus has an individual right to live.  This right is not collective, and has nothing to do with everyone else.  The decisions made on the outside world were the ones that resulted in the conscious/feeling fetus being there, and thus those on the outside world should have to bear the consequences of decisions made there, not the innocent late-term human fetus." So, create a better culture and prove when the fetus can develop a unique personality. Being such a rational being I'm sure you can find a solution like snap.

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