"I don't hate women, I just hate irresponsible murderers." Hate the sin, not the sinner.
"If they don't have the ability to get to an abortion clinic, maybe they should have taken that into consideration before having sex without using adequate contraceptives." You keep on focusing on personal flaws rather than surrounding circumstances. Very authoritarian.
"They have no right to destroy feeling/conscious human life due to their own irresponsibility or stupidity." Well there's a slew of factors to take into consideration now. Life begins very late.
"They caused their own problems via their own decisions." We're obviously not getting through to this one.
"They are screwing themselves over with their own dumb decisions, and they knew it at the time." See above, sheriff.
>>557 "Kumori's 'argument' on health problems is *not* valid. You apparently misunderstood it. Kumori was saying that women who become pregnant while full of diseases that could jeopardize the health and life of her future children anyways so that she can fullfill her selfish desire to have children were 'brave' and acting in 'good conscience.'" Well, they are. Acting in good conscience.
"These women are gambling with the lives and health of their future children to satisfy *their* selfish desires to have their own children, when there are perfectly fine children availible for adoption with no health problems, that could be adopted resulting in *no* risk to the woman's future children's lives and well being. They are irresponsible and uncompassionate." Personal flaws, no environmental backdrop. This is the link between libertarians and authoritarians, and the latter knows how to exploit it, apparently.
>>558 "Once it has certain properties such as consciousness/senses, it deserves legal protection." So does the one who built it, carried it and will be forced to take care of it.
"When the fetus is conscious/has senses, it deserves legal protection." We don't know when it feels pain.
"One of them. Thus, we can conclude that fetuses that have attained some degree of consciousness should not be aborted. This is wrong." Once the child has been proven to have developed a unique personality inside the womb, abortion is wrong. But the burden of proof is on you since we still have the utilitarian upper hand (crime rates fall as abortion is available, right to body and that).
"Yeah, people's minds don't develop until quite a while after birth, this doesn't give you the freedom to kill them." Are you a doctor?
"Abortion should no longer be allowed once the fetus has attained consciousness/senses." A unique sequence of events experienced and transmitted to a brain that has reached adequate development. That is the kicker.
>>559 "This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that said conscious fetuses have the right to live." Sadly it does.
>>560 "Consciousness does not imply right to live. As long as there is capital punishment, the decision of whether all human life is sacred is an arbitrary one, and not decided on absolutes such as definition of life, etc." Well then we can argue how the perpetrator has used his life to kill another. Also, considering how lots of states argue that abortions are too easy to carry out, I guess pro-lifers still don't have any common sense. They do not want things such as a scientifically set limit or better information to young women. They want to make abortions a hassle and that is going to make poor people poorer.