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"At that age, they couldn't become pregnant anyways, so I really don't care."
"It doesn't matter, it's still wrong."
For the sake of avoiding going off topic, assume I agree. This doesn't make it right to take other people's money from them forcibly to fund things they don't believe in, just because you do. Sex ed is not a must, and therefore shouldn't be funded. The government is there to protect us from each other, and protect our freedoms from foreign invasion, and that's it.
"That's just you. So...you went around asking other people as well?"
The point is is that if I knew, they can too. If they don't, its their fault.
"People and the government exercises the right to kill by the Death Penalty and by sending families' children oversees to fight baseless wars. That right to kill is more horrid than a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy or not."
Firstly, two wrongs does not make a right. If abortion is wrong, it should be banned period, regardless of what else the government is doing. If the death penalty is wrong, go lecture me about that in another debate. This debate is about abortion, not the death penalty or wars of foreign aggression. Abortion is a seperate issue, and just because we have the death penalty and wars of foreign aggression doesn't change the fact that late term abortions are wrong and should be banned.
"You should've stated your exact position on this instead of jumping around like a rabbit, misleading other people on your views. One moment you're up for a complete ban, then the next you want exceptions."
I have said already, assume I say 'with said exceptions' every time I ask for a ban from here on out, unless I said otherwise. I guess you missed it? My position has been more or less the same throughout this thread.
"I've been tooting the same horn for a quite a while now. You just misunderstood."
No, you've went from advocating complete abortion rights, from conception until birth to advocating very strict regulation of abortion (my position, which you have recently said you now see eye to eye with).
"They are done for medical reasons. Also, many, if not all states have already imposed strict regulations on late-term abortions."
Just because there are strict regulations doesn't mean that they are done humanely. I am going to have to tighten my position even more if there is no way for it to be done humanely. Legalized torment of helpless human lives doesn't sound appealing to me.
"I don't see it as careless, since she already knew of the risks involved to her health, and decided to have a child out of good conscience and raise a family with her hubby. :D"
OK, so you have established that late term abortions are a horrible practice, and should be banned except when necessary for a mother's life, or when the fetus is horribly deformed or some such.
Now, assuming that said woman knows she has health problems, and attempts to get pregnant anyways, knowing that it might well end up in complications like are discussed in the paragraph above (late term abortions) or produce an unhealthy baby, she is basically gambling with her future baby, and I find this sick and irresponsible.
"I was simply playing by your own game. If you want to believe something just keep it out of my face. And no, I'm not advocating those law removals. Put more words in my mouth please. If I was I'd tell you. :D"
How were you playing by my 'game'? I didn't put more words in your mouth, you said them, not me.
"That analogy is still hooplah."
So I've given some justification and support of my analogy, while you call it 'hooplah', whatever the hell that means. Good to see you have a convincing reason/argument why the analogy was bad.
"For "some" men it's like that. That's why there are brothels."
Brothels are illegal or nonexistant practically everywhere. Some people just have to get along without, or settle for jacking off. Face it, abstinence is possible, sex is *not* a constant, and people have free will - including the ability to decide not to have sex.
"Even sex-crazed men can exercise something called 'self-control.'"
"I have yet to find one that has."
I have.
"I have never came across that situation. So..the majority of people whom are deprived are ugly people? Ugly people, pretty people, fair people, they're all people to me."
Exactly. People have the ability to exercise self-control over this decision, and it is proven by those who find themselves unable to find partners.
"That reminds me of..
http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/peppers.asp";
The fact that one person apparently chose not to hold himself back does not prove that everyone is incapable of holding themselves back (abstaining from sex). People have free will, and are able to simply decide not to have sex.
"Comprehensive sex-ed starting at the fifth-sixth grade level. Hell, with the way this society is, I wouldn't care if it was started at the fourth grade level."
Who cares when it starts? It shouldn't start. If you want it, get it with your own money for your kids.
"Children don't take the time to learn."
Too bad for them.
"Moreover, how would they know if it would harm them in the first place?"
I knew.
"They assume that nothing would happen and thought it would be alright in their innocent little minds."
Kids aren't as dumb as you think. By about the time they are old enough to really, *really* start wanting to have sex, they have already had plenty of opportunities to learn about it.
"In turn, the parent would have to tell them that it hurt them."
You think the only way to learn about sex is through your parents or through your teacher? LOL. My parents never told me shit about sex, and I learned and turned out fine.
"It would depend on what kind of law was broken. Like.. In my state, there's a law that forbids people from sleeping on top of refrigerators at night. People do not know that law, moreover, it's a stupid law. Lol. Whenever I tell someone about they look at me like.. "Huh?!" O_O"
I agree, that's a stupid law - and people shouldn't have to follow it. But we aren't talking about 'stupid laws' or victimless crimes like that, we are talking about serious things that effect other people than yourself.
"It would not be their fault unless they already knew beforehand."
Once again, you change positions. First, people are mindless, uncontrollable people who are unable to control their dicks and private parts, then all a sudden people have free will, and *THEN* all a sudden it *would* be their fault if they knew beforehand.
Now as for the actual problems with the statement in and of itself.. This is wrong because they took an action without knowing (within reason) what would happen after taking it. People have free will, and they have the ability to take a vast number of actions, and do certain things. These actions have consequences, and before taking an action, they should learn about the action if they don't know anything about it before taking the action, to make sure it is an OK thing to do, that won't hurt them, violate laws, or do things like this. The fact that they didn't know does not excuse them, especially since they could have known - yet didn't bother to, and took the action anyhow.
"This is why we need sex-ed at a minor's level so they'd understand what happens during sex."
Minors don't need sex-ed to learn about sex.
"You can't expect a young child to know what sex is unless someone tells them about it."
Sure, just like knowing about anything. A good chunk of things that we know we learn from other peoples, or from learning sources others have made - such as books, computers, televisions, radios, etc, you name it. These things exist, and you can always look up 'sex' in an encyclopedia, a dictionary, or type it into a search engine. You can ask your teacher, your parents, your relatives, your siblings, there are just so many ways to learn about it, and opportunities to do so. Children don't *need* sex-ed to learn about sex. Your average american kid has every opportunity within reason to learn about it on his own, just like I did.
"Try telling that to a child."
Sure. Children aren't as dumb and inept as you think. By the time they are old enough to get pregnant, or even get their hormones pumping so they actually start *wanting* to have sex in the first place, they have already been here long enough and had plenty of opportunities to learn on their own, or ask others questions.