"At that age, they couldn't become pregnant anyways, so I really don't care."
It doesn't matter, it's still wrong.
""I don't think they would have that kind of common knowledge. If they don't, then children up to the age of 13 really don't either."
Not true. I knew by the time I was 13."
That's just you. So...you went around asking other people as well?
"It most certainly is not. Is banning murder just as bad as the murder itself? And yes, we are talking about 'murder' - late term abortions performed on fetuses that could be considered more or less 'human.'
I'm for a good BAN on all late term abortions with the exceptions noted. The only thing left to think about is what constitutes 'late.'"
People and the government exercises the right to kill by the Death Penalty and by sending families' children oversees to fight baseless wars. That right to kill is more horrid than a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy or not.
"Did you even read what I said? If the woman's life is in serious jeopardy, abortion is fine provided it is done in a humane manner. I'm not sure how much more simple I can make this."
You should've stated your exact position on this instead of jumping around like a rabbit, misleading other people on your views. One moment you're up for a complete ban, then the next you want exceptions.
""I also said it before that: "So...if there's a medical problem that threatens the woman's health/life/well-being or if the fetus has a severe abnormality she is denied an abortion in late pregnancy, nice going."
That's what you said that time. You are tooting a different horn now than you were a while back."
I've been tooting the same horn for a quite a while now. You just misunderstood.
""But you see, those late-term abortions only happen due to medical reasons."
I don't know that. Furthermore, while I don't *know* they are done inhumanely, I don't know that there are laws concerning this aspect of things, and there most definitely should be."
They are done for medical reasons. Also, many, if not all states have already imposed strict regulations on late-term abortions.
""Also, notice I was talking about mothers. Laws don't help mothers keep food in their cabinets so she may get the proper nutrition she needs to give her child a healthy start. You are being completely against life and liberty here."
No I'm not. I didn't mention the formation of any laws, I just noted how irresponsible and careless women who attempt to create a baby while full of diseases and health problems are."
I don't see it as careless, since she already knew of the risks involved to her health, and decided to have a child out of good conscience and raise a family with her hubby. :D
""As crazy as it sounds, if that's what you wanna believe then believe it I don't give a damn, just stay out of my face from it."
How can you be missing this point? At some point, people obviously have to 'push' murder laws into the faces of others. I want to extend government protection to unborn who are old enough to be considered human lives.. I see nothing wrong with this. What, you want anarchy? Remove laws against murder and rape as well? .."
I was simply playing by your own game. If you want to believe something just keep it out of my face. And no, I'm not advocating those law removals. Put more words in my mouth please. If I was I'd tell you. :D
"No it wasn't. Bill Gates had a few of his inalienable rights sacrificed in my analogy for the utilitarian effect of benefitting a larger group of people... and likewise, you advocate doing the same thing with fetuses - sacrificing some inalienable rights simply due to the fact that another group is larger. The analogy was a good one."
That analogy is still hooplah.
"Yes, and they can exercise their free-will and not have sex. You act like a guy's dick is like a huge magnet and no matter what he does, it will drag him along until it reaches someone's vagina."
For "some" men it's like that. That's why there are brothels.
"Even sex-crazed men can exercise something called 'self-control.'"
I have yet to find one that has.
"No, but there are many ugly people who are deprived, and must abstain, yet still are able to live and get by."
I have never came across that situation. So..the majority of people whom are deprived are ugly people? Ugly people, pretty people, fair people, they're all people to me.
"They don't really have a choice but to control themselves.. or get thrown in jail for rape if they don't."
That reminds me of..
http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/peppers.asp
"Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Jekyll
Quite a famous story. Enjoy."
Okay, I'll look at it later then.
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"I mean that they *could* have this knowledge."
Comprehensive sex-ed starting at the fifth-sixth grade level. Hell, with the way this society is, I wouldn't care if it was started at the fourth grade level.
"If I walk up and touch a red-hot burner because I didn't know any better, but didn't take the time to learn not to beforehand either, and I get burned, that's my fault."
Children don't take the time to learn. Moreover, how would they know if it would harm them in the first place? They assume that nothing would happen and thought it would be alright in their innocent little minds. In turn, the parent would have to tell them that it hurt them.
"Many people do things that are against the law without knowing it, but this doesn't mean they should be immune to the said law"
It would depend on what kind of law was broken. Like.. In my state, there's a law that forbids people from sleeping on top of refrigerators at night. People do not know that law, moreover, it's a stupid law. Lol. Whenever I tell someone about they look at me like.. "Huh?!" O_O
"nor does the fact that people who might not know their actions will lead them to becoming pregnant make them not at fault for becoming pregnant"
It would not be their fault unless they already knew beforehand. This is why we need sex-ed at a minor's level so they'd understand what happens during sex. You can't expect a young child to know what sex is unless someone tells them about it. And no, the stork and cabbage patch stories won't suffice.
"Ignorance is no excuse - it is your responsibility to care for yourself and educate yourself."
Try telling that to a child.