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"What I'm saying is- you can't just keep repeating that it's murder and that it's wrong over, over and over when it's already been proven that it isn't murder up until a certain point (3rd trimester)."
I agree, it's not really murder. But to the extent that the human has developed, is to the extent that it's murder. If the human is 25% developed, they should be charged for murder to that extent. Exceptions should be made in the case of obvious situations such as when it is necessary for the woman's health, or in situations like rape. All I'm saying is that it should be regulated - rather than that you should be able to have an abortion whenever you feel like it.
"You can't insist that a child is any one person's responsibilty when that "person" hasn't even exited the womb, yet."
It was their responsibility from the moment they had sex and didn't bother to use any of the many, easilly accessable methods of birth control availible.
"If this was truly about ethics and morals, you would be able to examine the reasons for unwanted pregnanices (poverty, uneducation, certain culture's views on sex, the psychology of sex) and seek to utterly eliminate those reasons."
That's like saying I should examine the reasons why people are killing people rather than punishing people for killing people.
So if some guy gets mad, and kills someone, we should "examine the reasons for unwanted murders and seek to utterly eliminate those reasons", rather than punishing for the actual crime committed.
"If you actually cared about life or the potentiality of life, you would be able to examine and express a will to eliminate anything that infringes on that right to life- whether that person is a newborn or a 32-year old arab that crashed a plane in a building (or thousands of dead palestinians, or millions of dead ANYONE)."
I'm not pro-war, if that's what you are getting at.
"Your attitude toward women is entirely fucked up. Referring to her as "An irrsponsible bitch" is very telling of the kind of sexually repressed world you live in."
If they are irresponsible and bitchy enough to have sex without using birth control and then just have abortions as they see fit, I think the term "irresponsible bitch" is fitting."
"Also, your comment in regards to abortion being "the easy way out" shows an ignorance and a common misconception that abortion is easy."
I never said it was the easy way out. You must be quoting someone else.
"if that is your experience, then the woman was probably just trying to piss you off because she knows that you become such an asshole when it comes to abortion."
As opposed to women who are too irresponsible to use birth control? LOL
"You're desperately trying to make abortion itself seem irresponsible, when abortion itself IS, in fact, part of "taking responsiblity"."
If they had "taken responsibility", they'd have used birth control in the first place, and the need for an abortion would be nonexistant.
"Even so, you act as if women can just have babies by themselves. You make no mention of the fact that men have every same bit of birth control as women."
The woman can check to make sure the man is wearing a condom. The woman can take any of the god knows how many methods of birth control or contraception out there. Why am I saying this? Because if she doesn't the consequences are HERS to deal with. It's HER body, and thus SHE should handle it.
"You also make no mention of the fact that many time women get abortions at the goading of MEN. But, hey, whatever right? Those're just details to you."
Why should it be mentioned? I don't care why she got it. Irresponsible unnecessary abortions shouldn't be allowed. Period.
"Finally, you keep arguing this in the direction of "I'm more right then you are". When all I'm saying is that humans have a choice between right and wrong. I think the reason you don't want the states to decide is because you secretly know that your zealous attitude doesn't really fly here in America anymore."
That kind of zealous attitude is a large part of the reason the last set of candidates got elected. I'd say that kind of "zealous attitude" actually DOES fly here in america.
"It doesn't matter if you're religious or not or whatever. You will never be able to ignore the implications of an anti-abortion law. It is immediately giving jurisdiction of the unborn, and of women's sex lives over to the state. That just not what we do in a democracy unless there's an actual crime involved."
Now you get to an actual worry. However, I see the developing human being as just that - a developing individual. In my opinion, the rights involved here are not just the woman and her right to her body - but the right of the developing being to .. develop normally. If the woman didn't want to be put in a situation where she had to give birth, she should have used birth control, or any of the other numerous safe and effective methods of contraception.