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What I'm saying is- you can't just keep repeating that it's murder and that it's wrong over, over and over when it's already been proven that it isn't murder up until a certain point (3rd trimester).
You can't insist that a child is any one person's responsibilty when that "person" hasn't even exited the womb, yet. If this was truly about ethics and morals, you would be able to examine the reasons for unwanted pregnanices (poverty, uneducation, certain culture's views on sex, the psychology of sex) and seek to utterly eliminate those reasons. If you actually cared about life or the potentiality of life, you would be able to examine and express a will to eliminate anything that infringes on that right to life- whether that person is a newborn or a 32-year old arab that crashed a plane in a building (or thousands of dead palestinians, or millions of dead ANYONE).
Your attitude toward women is entirely fucked up. Referring to her as "An irrsponsible bitch" is very telling of the kind of sexually repressed world you live in. And this repression is directly related to superfluous reproduction (SEE: CATHOLICS) and is also related to the psychological drive behind RAPE.
Also, your comment in regards to abortion being "the easy way out" shows an ignorance and a common misconception that abortion is easy. No one who I know that has had an abortion has termed it as "easy", or acted as if it was this "fix it, quick" procedure that you seem to think it is. And if that is your experience, then the woman was probably just trying to piss you off because she knows that you become such an asshole when it comes to abortion. You're desperately trying to make abortion itself seem irresponsible, when abortion itself IS, in fact, part of "taking responsiblity". Even so, you act as if women can just have babies by themselves. You make no mention of the fact that men have every same bit of birth control as women. You also make no mention of the fact that many time women get abortions
at the goading of MEN. But, hey, whatever right? Those're just details to you.
Finally, you keep arguing this in the direction of "I'm more right then you are". When all I'm saying is that humans have a choice between right and wrong. I think the reason you don't want the states to decide is because you secretly know that your zealous attitude doesn't really fly here in America anymore. It doesn't matter if you're religious or not or whatever. You will never be able to ignore the implications of an anti-abortion law. It is immediately giving jurisdiction of the unborn, and of women's sex lives over to the state. That just not what we do in a democracy unless there's an actual crime involved.
CUE: It is a crime! It's murder!
Yeah, we hear you.
We just don't believe you, anymore, and furthering that we find your zealotry to be disingenuious of your position.