Great Myths of the Great Depression

http://www.uaca.ac.cr/acta/1998nov/lreed.htm

>>1 Props. I never was much for the FDR anyway. Yet, by showing an undoubtably better record in later years, I think the dems have ameliorated themselves somewhat:    http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm    Still, times have changed fucking rapidly.

>>2
The big problem, aside from gun control, that I see with the democrats is their attachment to big-government economics, bloated and inefficient government programs, but most especially that:  when a government program fails, the democrats think that the failure of that program is not, as one might think, reason to get rid of said program, but to increase funding, and possibly create more programs. 

So, as you look at that article, you see that today, we have a perpetuation of the same policy that has created ills of the past - responding to problems created by big-government and loss of liberty with.... more big-government and loss of liberty. 

For example, we responded to the Great Depression by electing FDR (D) who instituted many of the programs which are now creating fiscal problems for us today... such as Social Security.

It should be noted that at the same time we were having the Great Depression due to our experiment with the Federal Reserve, Canada was doing just fine with their private banking system.

Lets look at another historical sample, this one more recent.  The 9/11 terrorist attacks.  The 9/11 terrorist attacks were done, likely, by terrorists angered at the United States for it's past interventionist policies, and, in general, sticking it's nose into other countries business in which it does not belong. 

So, how did we respond? We instituted more government programs.  You name it... the Patriot Act, all kinds of security bills, stepped up the security all over the country, conducted (and still do) domestic spying on the part of the NSA, the list just goes on, and on, and on.  On top of that, we didn't cease, but STEPPED UP our interventionist policies.  We invaded Afghanistan.  We invaded Iraq.  And, unless things turn around real quick, it looks like we might be invading Iran.  (The warlike left is hitting their war-drums again... see link below this). 

http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_03_27/cover.html

So what is the trend of history? Looking at the big picture, I'll say it again.  When government fucks up, we end up creating new webs of government programs, and funneling more money down the bureaucratic drain to patch up the fuck ups of previous government programs. 

Unless this horrible trend is reversed, we are going to end up in a Statist society very quickly.

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>>3
You attribute big-government lovin' to Democrats, then reference the response to 9/11.  How the heck do you blame that on Democrats?  The executive and legislative branches of government were Republican-controlled at the time.

>>6
I'm aware of that.  I'm saying that the democrats are no better.  They respond the same way. 

That's why I think we need to vote for the libertarians.  We need a new party with a fresh outlook.  Dems/repubs look more and more alike every day. 

>>6
Oh, and, also, many democrats supported the measures described there.  There were only a handful who actually opposed them. 

Just because the executive and legislative branches of government were Republican controlled at the time, doesn't mean the democrats didn't have the opportunity to stand up, show some spine, and vote against say, the Patriot Act, for example.  (With the exception of a few, this didn't happen.)

>>8 The American public were crept up into Bush's bosom by then, and the dems would have committed political suicide if they had done anything that would have hindered the war effort. Blame the knee-jerkers who couldn't look beyond the promises and emotional propaganda, and thus eliminated any debate. Then, later, they couldn't attack the shoddy, imperialistic handling of the war because by then flip-flopping was a registererd trademark. The reps created a black-and-white "put up or shut up" voting and the public was disappointed by the left along with the right.

>>9
So the democrats weren't willing to stand up for what was right due to the heat, and possibility of damaging their political careers? Why again do people vote for these spineless shits?

Even if they actually would stand up and do the right thing here and there, your vote means so much more if directed at a third party. 

Even if said 3rd party never gets elected, just the fact that you sent that vote their way anyway, says "Look, I'm fed up with both of you two parties, and I want change.  We need something new." 

I still disagree with you though.  The democrats may occasionally stand up for civil liberties, but they still occasionally piss on them (aside from the 2nd amendment), and they are certainly not a fiscally responsible party, nor are they anti-war. 

Again, while I like the fact that the dems stand up for certain civil liberties more than the republicans, the gun issue is a major stain on their platform, and moreover, their lack of ability to take a stand for what is right due to spinelessness. 

>>10 It's politics, man. The spineless shits would have done the same thing to the left that Kennedy did when he signed That Act. Also, spinelessness makes you flexible at the very least, and thirdly, they do better with the economy http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm

>>11
"flexible at the very least"

I don't want flexible leaders.  I want someone who has a set of principles, and a list of things they want to do.  Then I vote for them based on who has the best list, imo.  If they won't stick to their agenda, and vote as such, then I am never really represented, since often times, I'll be voting for candidates who approve and vote for many measures I flat out disagree with.  (Patriot act, war, etc.)

"and thirdly, they do better with the economy"

I think the libertarians would do the best with the economy.

>>12 The key is the tense. Now you say that the libertarians Would be better, but yet all I see is hardline principles and no plan on how to invoke them in a balanced, steady manner. Fuck principles and give me a detailed plan, anyone can point at abstractions and say that's what I want.
Naturally a voter and a politician disagree with how to meet a common goal, but I guess that american politicians suck a lot at keeping their promises. Clinton had a great agenda, he just fucked around too much, and thus I hate him now.

>>12
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

The plan. 

"Clinton had a great agenda, he just fucked around too much, and thus I hate him now."

I think you misunderstood his agenda.  You have to understand how the minds of these people work.  When they say, "I support gun safety," what they MEAN is:  "I support gun control."

It's politician speak :P

>>14 I couldn't care less about gun control when Clinton commited so many heinous acts. He was what the republicans want to be; tough on women, gays and libraries and a boon for the ecoonomy. He also did nothing during the genocide in Eastern Timor. Fuck just thinking about that makes me sick. That was done by muslim Indonesia, right?

>>15
How dare he not solve all the world's problems!

>>16 When you are the most powerful person in the world, speaking up against a bunch of Nazi-wannabe underhumans whose entire country is one meticulously clean town isn't really that much of a tall order. Not to mention the fact that William, while gaining many points for making gun nuts and evangelivals upset, didn't actually solve any of the world's problems...
Oh. Yeah, he did actually show americans for the xth time that taxing rich folks actually helps the economy. Thanks for that, you weezy nympho.

I've been on the net since I was 12 or something, but this is the first time I've seen the sun be completely reflected in the waters of earth:      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Timor_island2.png      Considering the rapacious actions of the Indonesians on the surface, the beauty is fucking dazzling, not to mention an example of how human suffering is invisible once you go too far away.

>>15
You left something out.  He was tough on women, gays, libraries, GUNS, and a boon for the economy.  I agree with you, based on all that, he's a fuckin asshole.

>>19
Hm, guns doesn't fit in ...

>>19 I already said the gun thing is not as vile to me. Then again, when he tried to effectively reform the medical section of american infrastructure, the right told all the pissy pussies of the middle class that he was going to rape their values (IT'S ON TV SO IT BE TRUE YES IT IS DO YOU WANT *YOUR* DAUGHTER TO BRING HOME A BOY WITH LONG HAIR??!!. But he got sweet revenge in 1996 when he fucked the GOP budget up the ass by turning the public against them. I hate more republicans than leftists so that made me giggle a little.

>>17
What in fuck are you talking about? He triggerred a depression which left millions unemployed and invited acts of terrorism apon america. He is responsible for a lot of unneccesary sufferring and it was all in the name of socialism.

>>22 Actually, like most taxation of the rich has done before, he boosted the economy quite nicely. Then again that could be grace of the dotcom-revolution. The subversive and failed attacks upon upon upon Kosovo et al. was hardly related to IX XI considering that ball was put into rolling by Scrub Snr...

>>23
True, the US is not aggressive enough with it's foreign policies and this is lacking in both major parties. Thankfully you are not dim enough to deny this fact!

>>24 Thanks, that means a lot coming from you, Anon.

Foreigners for U.S. interventionist foreign policy?

Fuck interventionism.  Maybe if Clinton and Bush would stop fucking bombing random countries we've never heard of here, and taxing the middle and lower classes to get the money to do so which he funnels through the defense industry, the lower classes would have a higher standard of living.

>>26
Amen. 

>>26
Moreover, from the perspective of an American civilian, there is no reason you should support that.  None of that money comes back to you.  It's money down the drain, aka, the government. 

>>1 Good post.  Most people attribute that to Capitalism.  Ignorant fucks.

>>21
Him being anti-gun is is worst attribute of all.  Self-defense is a natural right.  I won't vote for any god damn politician who wants to deny that.

>>30
I'll second that.