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>>40 I dunno, WWII was mostly the doing of shortsightedness and diplomatical weakness coupled with economic rivalry; few of these factors had anything to do with the US, which is why the public disapproved. Here, the issue is not if the war was justified but how it was carried out and by whom. That wouldn't create isolation, more like self-scrutiny. It's a shame the dems can't offer an attractive alternative. Bloomberg seems like a nice guy though.

>>41

So did Clinton, and we all know how *that* turned out.

>>42 Did Clinton express the same social liberlaism and economic conservatism? Ah, you have a point. He may have been a boom for the economy but his stance on guns and all his attacks on women's/gay's/ rights and the environment make me puke. I'd kill him today if I had the chance.

>>43
Amen.  Clinton's gun control policies were so fucking shitty, jesus christ.  From his two terms, we now have a fucking mountain of gun restrictions and laws that need to be repealed.  It will take several terms of republican majorities to peel back all the layers of rotting bullshit (gun control) laws from the Clinton adminstration.

For god's sake don't vote Democrat... they are very possibly the worst party of them all....

>>45 Right now anti-gay actions are on the rise and those under the poverty limit have been rising each year since 2000. Considering the dems appear to be better with the economy, I'm still undecided about that. Yet, the 'issue' ofgun control are a real bad stain on the left's credibility.

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>>45 Agreed.  Democrats suck.

>>46 Agreed, Gun-control is a dead issue.  Not only is it a LOSING issue (unpopular) it is a stupid and irrational one.  It's not only protected by the Bill of Rights, it reduces crime, prevents tyrranny, etc etc.  And... guns are cool.

>>49 Reps have a worse record on civil rights. They are also worse for the economy    http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm     Also, I believe their slights against women's/gay's rights is a worse offence against reason than the dem's failure w/ guns. I may hate the current socialist gov. in Sweden, but if I lived in america I'd rather lose a few of my own rights than elect some christian goodoldboys that limit the rights of my gay fellow citizens.

>>50
Yeah, that's true.  If you vote Republican, they will restrict certain freedoms.  For example, most republicans voted for the Decency acts.... restricting radio broadcasters and television/media companies from saying dirty words on the air. 

Right now, saying "fuck" on the air in the U.S. costs about 300,000$, so I hear.

But then, if you elect the democrats, they'll take away your rights to firearms, increase the size of the federal government dramatically, and tax your ass off.

Which brings me to the conclusion: 

Vote libertarian.  They have all the benefits of either main party, minus the bullshit. 

http://www.lp.org/

>>51 That sounds about right. I'd vote libertarian if they offered less subversive candidates and offered a sensible, incremental removal of soc. sec. They should also take a MUCH stronger stance against all those that think the US is/should be a christian nation (dead wrong on both)

>>52
"That sounds about right. I'd vote libertarian if they offered less subversive candidates and offered a sensible, incremental removal of soc. sec. They should also take a MUCH stronger stance against all those that think the US is/should be a christian nation (dead wrong on both)"

'if'?

They do... did you look at their platform? They have good solutions, everything you were asking for..

>>52
Libertarians are in no way subversive.

>>54

Elaborate.

>>55

According to the free dictionary: 

"Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established government"

The libertarians are not trying to undermine or overthrow the U.S. government.  They are trying to save it from a huge fiscal crisis and possible despotism resulting from a corruption of the principles this nation was founded upon - individualism, freedom, and the constitution/bill of rights.

Government should be small, wise, and frugal.  This is all according to the ideals of this nation's creators.  The libertarian party wishes to restore government to it's proper place, so the citizens of this nation can run their lives themselves, in freedom. 

Bearing this in mind, I think it's safe to say they are one of the most fundamentally "american" parties there is.