Racial Responsibility? What the Fuck?

O.k., I am recapping off of my last thread and the other new threads dealing with such subjects [in euphemism] as the 'stereotypical universal B.O. of Arab peoples' and '"What If" Slavery of Blacks was Reinstated as a Legal Institution' and there seems to be some reoccuring themes in the [il]logic of those who argue for the supremacy/pride/nationalism/genocide/subjugation/etc. of various races on all sides...

 [...I've seen forums in which it has literally turned into a White vs. Black vs. Yellow debate in which the racist Whites accuse ALL Blacks of inferiority and universal problem-making, the racist Blacks accuse ALL Whites of universally instituted racism and holding them back and the racist Yellows accuse the Whites AND Blacks of genetically objective inferiority [see: Wikipedia article on 'Race and Intelligence'] and themselves of being the true superior peoples of humanity... Egh, at least to me, all of these people just seem likepeople needing a lesson in objectivity playing out old evolutionarily primate neuro-script under the guise of objectivity and 'intellectualism'...]

...of this conflict. One of these themes is the theory that because a person is of a certain skin color, they are instantly and undeniably universally responsible AND A PART OF the actions of other people of that same skin color, whether positive or negative. Some of the arguments I've seen from various people who spout this 'Racial Responsibility' as if it was as absolute and irrefutable as the loads of other ignorance they consider true are...

From Racist Whites = "We Anglo-Saxxons have practically carried the Western World, European AND American on our backs. Economic, Scientific, Philosophic, Literary... all us. We have the Magna Carta. Shakespeare. Quantum Physics, the Constitution... all of it. All these inferior races have... what? Nothing." Analysis: So, based upon this logic of ability based on race, you're able to  recite all of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays, explain the structure and significance of Iambic Pentameter, explain the full spectrum of mathematic, physical and theoretical principles surrounding quantum mechanics and apparently do anything that anyone who's white has ever done... AND YOU WERE THERE AT THE MAGNA CARTA, TOO? WOW!

From Racist Blacks = Usually there is a mentioning of how their musical traditions have been stolen by Whites. Everything from original tribal beats to original Rock&Roll to Raggae to Funk to House to Disco to Jazz has been co-opted... Unh-huh... Same analysis, write and perform a song of the genres mentioned here based upon your obvious ability to do so as a black person and THEN talk to me.

You get my point people.

Discuss... rationally, please.

>>54
Let me get this straight.

Your argument is...

"Because there is no such thing as race, lauding or condemning the actions of every person of that race is illogical."

If this is true, logically you must also disagree with affirmative action and other race based programs. You would also see reason to blame the justification of the black african-colonial slave trade and other atrocities on racism and not on the white race. Most fundamentally you would bother to provide proof that race is indeed irrelevant. You would acknowledge the fact that races have very distinct appearances, history and demographics and focus on proving that they are superficial in a rational manner and addressing all factors completely.


"It's funny. First you liberally assert and are implictly complacent to a racial caste system where whites are at the top- supposely passive, docile and peace loving and at the lowest end are the "shiftless, uneducated" negroids..."
Where?

White heritage is generally defined as the culture, technology and civilisation that has been built up by the efforts of white-caucasians. White heritage has been more extensive than other racial heritages due to technological progress that has only been matched recently by asian countries heavily influenced by western culture which is a majority white culture.

I recognise that racism takes place and that being white I am less likely to be a victim of discrimination, however I resent the accusation that I would or have knowingly benefitted from discrimination. Laws have been passed in many western countries which make it an offense not to employ a certain percentage of non-whites into businesses and institutions, this proves that white supremacism is no longer government policy, it does mean that institutional racism exists. Regardless of previous acts by whites or other whites, punishing innocent whites and supporting this is an act of discrimination.
"These oppressors simply can not understand that it is their past "assertiveness" in regards to the racial caste that has led to "higher crime rates, affrimative action, schools dumbed down to make fools look smarter"."

"Atheists attack the concept of God and yet no one ever seems to claim they somehow still believe in God by virtue of the fact that they understand that everyone else believes in God solely to their benefit."
This isn't a correct analogy. I claim you are trying to prove race doesn't exist to your opponents so they believe there is no point in standing up for themselves. I am claiming you benefit from whites not having a racial identity. In your analogy no one claims the atheists attack the idea of god because they have little reason to benefit from doing so.

There is however a need for proof, which you could have said, but for some reason you decided to come up with this quibble of an analogy instead. You show selective malicious bias against whites. If you were not racist you would concentrate on racism itself and claim that the success of people native to northern europe is not due to racial superiority. Instead you concentrate on atrocities committed by whites and claim the success of whites never happenned. Apologetic attacks against groups of white people in history, particularly colonialism and a general ignorance of similiar atrocities committed by other races and of the civilised and cultural progress europeans have made in the past 500 years. Whites were not the only ones to use slavery, but were the first to develop the democracies capable of making decisions that go against wealth and power in favour of conscience and thus were the first to make efforts to stop slavery.

I am sure many times in history an oppressor's strategy was to claim they are being oppressed and their actions against outsiders are justified. Don't forget that you don't have to be an oppressor to claim you are being oppressed and justify actions against ousiders. In fact there is a medical term for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

I don't really need to bother criticising the below 2 quotes since they speak for themselves.

"To me, those whites who bask in their racial privalege and defend them to the teeth have become the new Jew. Or maybe they were always different sides of the same coin. Jews seem to set themselves up to be persecuted and secluded. They seem more than eager to place themselves on the subversive fringe of society and yet wail when they kicked out of a country every 500 years or "unexpectedly" end up the victim of a genocide. "

"no longer are there unwarranted privaleges to merely being white"