Racial Responsibility? What the Fuck?

O.k., I am recapping off of my last thread and the other new threads dealing with such subjects [in euphemism] as the 'stereotypical universal B.O. of Arab peoples' and '"What If" Slavery of Blacks was Reinstated as a Legal Institution' and there seems to be some reoccuring themes in the [il]logic of those who argue for the supremacy/pride/nationalism/genocide/subjugation/etc. of various races on all sides...

 [...I've seen forums in which it has literally turned into a White vs. Black vs. Yellow debate in which the racist Whites accuse ALL Blacks of inferiority and universal problem-making, the racist Blacks accuse ALL Whites of universally instituted racism and holding them back and the racist Yellows accuse the Whites AND Blacks of genetically objective inferiority [see: Wikipedia article on 'Race and Intelligence'] and themselves of being the true superior peoples of humanity... Egh, at least to me, all of these people just seem likepeople needing a lesson in objectivity playing out old evolutionarily primate neuro-script under the guise of objectivity and 'intellectualism'...]

...of this conflict. One of these themes is the theory that because a person is of a certain skin color, they are instantly and undeniably universally responsible AND A PART OF the actions of other people of that same skin color, whether positive or negative. Some of the arguments I've seen from various people who spout this 'Racial Responsibility' as if it was as absolute and irrefutable as the loads of other ignorance they consider true are...

From Racist Whites = "We Anglo-Saxxons have practically carried the Western World, European AND American on our backs. Economic, Scientific, Philosophic, Literary... all us. We have the Magna Carta. Shakespeare. Quantum Physics, the Constitution... all of it. All these inferior races have... what? Nothing." Analysis: So, based upon this logic of ability based on race, you're able to  recite all of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays, explain the structure and significance of Iambic Pentameter, explain the full spectrum of mathematic, physical and theoretical principles surrounding quantum mechanics and apparently do anything that anyone who's white has ever done... AND YOU WERE THERE AT THE MAGNA CARTA, TOO? WOW!

From Racist Blacks = Usually there is a mentioning of how their musical traditions have been stolen by Whites. Everything from original tribal beats to original Rock&Roll to Raggae to Funk to House to Disco to Jazz has been co-opted... Unh-huh... Same analysis, write and perform a song of the genres mentioned here based upon your obvious ability to do so as a black person and THEN talk to me.

You get my point people.

Discuss... rationally, please.

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At least you've clarified that white people are the only people not allowed to be 'priveleged,' even amongst themselves. Silly me.

You're forgiven for your silliness. It's all you have left to use in this debate.

By the way, I never said- nor implied that "whites" were the only people not allowed to be priveleged. Why do you assume that I'm for affrimative action? Is it possible for you to address me as an individual? I guess not, eh? ----What I am against is "racial privelge" and I've used that phrase multiple times throughout my last 2 replies. So it's funny that you keep trying to spin this back to me being anti-white. Because your entire argument hinges on me somehow being racist against white people. That way, anything I say, no matter how logical or how effective in clearing up your foggy world view-- will be dissonant.

Umm, maybe you live in a place where all the white people are rich?

In America, a vast majority of the government and the financially wealthy are, in fact, white.

Hi.

I live in America.

Jewish nepotism and private community funds and jewish groups and jew-only schools and communities abound, but it's WHITES that have the privlege.

But Jews aren't a race. You, yourself illustrated this by referecing other 'non-white' jews. Even so, Jews are only concerned with jewishness. Doesn't matter if the person is black, white, or whatever. If their mother is jewish- they are jewish. If they marry some Mexican guy (or girl) that's fine too...just as long as that person becomes Jewish. If you are perceived as "Brown" there's no ceremony to convert you to white.

Non-white people are apparently not responsible for their actions, like white people are.

Cite where I implied this please. Guess what? You can't because I never even said that. All races of all people are responsible for their actions.

Interesting, apparently you don't have any problems insulting my heritage or my people, which is precisely what you are doing.

Of course I don't. You don't have any problems insulting other people's heritages, so why it is pertinent when someone insults yours.

Apparently, unless I hate my 'white' heritage then I'm some backwards bigot? Uh, ok. Yes! Hating my own heritage and myself is the first step to enlightenment! Everybody else should hate themselves too! We should talk about black atrocities and Chinese atrocities and Japanese atrocities and jewish atrocities all day too! Never forgive, never forget! We only need one side to history!

Now you're getting it. If you identify yourself by race- as in- you feel that you have a "white brain" or a "white heart" that thinks and feels in a "white way"- then you should hate yourself for allowing yourself to define solely by the your race. The reason you don't have a problem with being called white is because you percieve whites to be at the top of the racial heirarchy. The reason you can't seem to handle it when someone slanders the white race is because you feel as a "superior race" you shouldn't be mocked, criticized or questioned.

Family too! We should wipe out this idea of family! It only divides people! If we didn't have the idea of family, we'd have world peace! We need more sterile faceless units for the global village!

This...just doesn't make sense.

Family isn't the same thing as race. Family isn't an "observation". Race is though. Family doesn't divide people- it brings them together. If one were to consider all people, reagardless of race to be "family" then maybe there would be world peace. I don't expect this to happen though and I'm not talking about world peace. That was another effort on your part to polarize the debate.

What I'm saying is- the concept of race is only good for those at the top of the racial heirarchy- those that benefit from being a certain race. The white racists knows that he you demantle race as a concept then you immediately dismantle white privalage. White privalage- which doesn't just work for whites country-to-country, but on a global scale.

Who are you to tell me that 1. I don't HAVE a heritage 2. I shouldn't be defending the way of life I so love and 3. I shouldn't object to my way of life and history be shat and spat upon by two-faced hypocrites like you.

What is your heritage then? Can you tell me? Can you tell me if your heritage dictates who you are down to every thought in your head? Do you realize that white you hold these beliefs now- they could change simply due to the growth of your personality? You can defend whatever you want- but what you're defending is wrong. I object to "your way of life" out of it's inherant wrongness and total lack of logical and applied scientific method.

You seem to be under the impression that the west got the way it did by being white. The truth is a different matter. The west got the way it did by embracing all races and cultures. The West you're rooting for is either dying or already dead.