Racial Responsibility? What the Fuck?

O.k., I am recapping off of my last thread and the other new threads dealing with such subjects [in euphemism] as the 'stereotypical universal B.O. of Arab peoples' and '"What If" Slavery of Blacks was Reinstated as a Legal Institution' and there seems to be some reoccuring themes in the [il]logic of those who argue for the supremacy/pride/nationalism/genocide/subjugation/etc. of various races on all sides...

 [...I've seen forums in which it has literally turned into a White vs. Black vs. Yellow debate in which the racist Whites accuse ALL Blacks of inferiority and universal problem-making, the racist Blacks accuse ALL Whites of universally instituted racism and holding them back and the racist Yellows accuse the Whites AND Blacks of genetically objective inferiority [see: Wikipedia article on 'Race and Intelligence'] and themselves of being the true superior peoples of humanity... Egh, at least to me, all of these people just seem likepeople needing a lesson in objectivity playing out old evolutionarily primate neuro-script under the guise of objectivity and 'intellectualism'...]

...of this conflict. One of these themes is the theory that because a person is of a certain skin color, they are instantly and undeniably universally responsible AND A PART OF the actions of other people of that same skin color, whether positive or negative. Some of the arguments I've seen from various people who spout this 'Racial Responsibility' as if it was as absolute and irrefutable as the loads of other ignorance they consider true are...

From Racist Whites = "We Anglo-Saxxons have practically carried the Western World, European AND American on our backs. Economic, Scientific, Philosophic, Literary... all us. We have the Magna Carta. Shakespeare. Quantum Physics, the Constitution... all of it. All these inferior races have... what? Nothing." Analysis: So, based upon this logic of ability based on race, you're able to  recite all of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays, explain the structure and significance of Iambic Pentameter, explain the full spectrum of mathematic, physical and theoretical principles surrounding quantum mechanics and apparently do anything that anyone who's white has ever done... AND YOU WERE THERE AT THE MAGNA CARTA, TOO? WOW!

From Racist Blacks = Usually there is a mentioning of how their musical traditions have been stolen by Whites. Everything from original tribal beats to original Rock&Roll to Raggae to Funk to House to Disco to Jazz has been co-opted... Unh-huh... Same analysis, write and perform a song of the genres mentioned here based upon your obvious ability to do so as a black person and THEN talk to me.

You get my point people.

Discuss... rationally, please.

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Hey, can you try and keep your replies to one thread? Or would that be too much to ask? Why do you need to carpet bomb your retorts?

1. Yes human beings need support. No this is not an indication of being 'a baby'.

Considering race is truly a frivilous area of human support...you can see why I consider it to be spoiling to the intellectual development of a young human mind. It's funny, those that have basked in white privalage are reacting the same way a child would react to being told "no"- only you're calling it "white racial interest" and "survival".

Rubbish.

There is a shared comaraderie that humans share with each other. This is true. This is not racial comaraderie.

It is *very* true and more powerful than racial comaraderie. Having trouble admitting this, are we? Bringing two whites together in a common cause is business as usual. People of different colors coming together provides affection for more than one group of people and is a more favorable image of humanity in the collective (conscious?) memory of humankind. 

Races also share racial comaraderie with each other. You speak as though the two are mutually exclusive. They are not.

Oh but they are. It's so easy for you to make these blanketing statements...Hahaha..."They are not." It's really funny. Racial comaraderie is directly opposed to fundamental drive of human comaraderie, in that racial comaraderie comes from RACE and the other comes from simply being HUMAN. 


When you say that two non-blood related people are 'family' then you are using the term with a different connotation.

This is you trying to set-up what "family" means. There are no "connotations" when you feel that you have real family ties. It isn't always something defined by blood, race, etc. And it doesn't require such a great deal of thought. Deal with it.

Certainly, race is no barrier to two non-blood-related or copulation-related people being 'family' in this connotation. Why waste your mind attacking racialists? There is something else going on here. You consistently portray the 'white' in your mind as 'the other'. You see whites with a racial identity as threatening. Threatening to the point where you wish to spend hours talking on a message board to oppose the realization of racial identity by whites.

You can continue to believe what you want, honestly. I'm threatened by whites in the same way I'm threatened by other blacks, the rich, the drone-like middle class,  fundamentalists, anything that's opposed to my sense of individuality. Everything is the other if it tries to treat me as a generality.

What you fail to understand is that by virtue of this little conversation...whites already have a racial identity and that indentity is a myth. I remember when nation and "race" were one in the same. Seperate nations were races unto themselves. And this changes because of what? You're going to tell me humans didn't understand color back then? Or is it more likely that has history marched on, race as a concept was easier to perpuate because of the privalages that come from being a certain race?

People just flat out don't want to be treated like that anymore. They want to be free. Your ideals do not facilitate that freedom.

Again, you portray whites as being some sort of villian throughout history.

And again you mistake whites of a certain era (with all their privaleges) as the entire white race. What's odd is your ability to claim your whiteness one second and then deny it everytime someone brings up the holocaust, slavery or imperialism. It's not your ability to think positively of "your people" that irks me...it's your inability to acknowledge that they may have negatively affected non-whites in the name of "white racial interests". Why do stereotypes cease to "have an element of truth" in them when it comes to white people?

History is history. So why do you cry when you're basically being treated like everyone else now? Whites have been given a stereotype and I say: So be it. POOF. There goes your superiority. There goes your heirarchy. There goes your privalage. 

Of course all of this seems strange to you.

You're white.

Maybe now you're beginning to understand the difference in being treated as an individual or a generality.

In fact, you would characterize my believe in white history being a positive one as being evil. This is strange.

Wrong again. How can you be apart of the "white guy" that wrote the Magna Carta, but then claim that you had nothing to do with the Holocaust? They're both "white" are they not? This thinking isn't in and of itself evil...but it leads to evil because of a distinct lack of perspective. You see nothing bad about your race when the negativty they perpetuate affects non-whites. Yet, "Blacks rapin' our white wimmins" is one of your frequently expressed concerns. You're right...it IS strange.

I wonder where your self-interest lies? I wonder what motivations you have? Where does your racial interest lie? Where do your other interests lie? You obviously have some motive for doing this. Will you be disingenuous in that admittal as well?

My self-interest lies fundamentally in the fostering of the individual spirt of human kind as a whole. My motivations are selfish in that I wish to be treated as an individual and not as a member of a group of people- whatever the commonality might appear to be. White privalage is an extention of the concept of race and has done far more harm to humanity than good. And what little good it does is frivilous. Race has become a burden and an obstuction to the individual. Only a madman can believe he has "a white heart" or "a black mind". The individual is greater than the sum of it's socially (or genetically) re-enforced parts.
 
In short: You, to me, represent everything adverse to the progression of my individual self. Racial privalage- white, black, whatever...must be stopped for the sake of a human kind that wants individuality.