Immigrants weakening the western economy?

Its not uncommon for people from less well-off countries to travel to the west to work in order to make more money. Some even work here, and send money back to thier native country to support thier families.

What effect does this sort of behaviour have on an economy? Does spending money youve earnt in your own country abroad weaken your home economy?

yes

No.  The cheap labor immigrants provide boosts the individual wealth of the companies they work for.  "Suits" like owners, managers, and investors make a lot more money off immigrants, who work harder for less money, than they do from american workers.  The money immigrants send home is just a mitigating factor. 
What really weakens our economy is americans, rich and poor, spending money on goods made overseas where labor and pollution laws hardly exist.

ur wrong

>>3

What proof have you got that immigrants work harder than white people from the US? If I immigrate to China, will I automagically work harder?

>>5
What proof have I got?  Well, I worked on a fishing boat in alaska for 2 years, 2 or three months at a time.  Most of the time I was the only US-born person in a fish processing factory full of Vietnamese, Koreans, Poles, and Latinos.  After a while I got promoted to deckhand, just because English is my first language, and communication with the guy in the wheelhouse is crucial.

I saw american college kids (and a few Japanese) get on the boat in early summer and try to endure a 2-month contract.  Most of them bagged out after a few days and had to ask mommy and daddy to wire them money to pay for their plane tickets back home.  The ones who made it through their first contract, and came back for a second, usually moved up into engineering or something.  By contrast, the majority of the immigrants stuck it out and stayed down in the factory simply because they had (and probably still have) few other choices.

Do you plan on immigrating to China to work on a farm or on a factory production line?  I wouldn't advise it, but if you did then yes, you would most likely find yourself working much harder and for a lot less money than you do now.  No, if you are a white person from the US you wouldn't go work in China unless you had some kind of white-collar job waiting for you.  Or unless you're some kind of humanitarian worker.

In summary, anyone is capable of working hard.  But anyone who can get a cushier job and get paid more will do so.  That leaves our factories and fields full of immigrants, criminals, and dimwits.

>>6

You are totally full of shit.

My dad worked through college for 10 years working full time. Now he has a 'cushy desk job.' He regularly travels to Korea, Japan, Russia, Iraq, Germany, Italy, and Bosnia. How old is he now, 50-something?

My grandfather was born into a tenant farmer family and worked his way up logging, without a 5th grade education because bad in those days all the white people over 8 years who wanted to eat had to work in the cotton fields or starve. My mom used to go pick cotton regularly as a kid. Tenant farmers were usually worse off than slaves.

My grandfather kept chugging at his business until late into his 80's. He was actually suffering from alzheimers, but instead of complaining about it, he actually pretty much fooled everybody into thinking he was ok. Eventually his jokes got so obviously wierd that people figured out something was wrong with him.

I just submitted a piece of work using xml, xslt, latex, java, ada, and c++ that constituted over 300 pages. The entire documentation and product added another 300. I fucking worked all day and night for weeks.

Just because you're educated doesn't mean you're lazy.

My grandfather's grandfather worked hard. My grandfather worked hard. My father worked hard. Hell, my grandmother AND my mother picked cotton out in the fields from the time they were kids.

I'm a hard worker; I'm white; I'm a real American citizen who has ancestors that died in fucking wars (like my grandfather on my father's side and several ancestors in the civil war.)

Fuck you.

>>7

What?

Shut the fuck up, fool.

You killed it.

>>7

Maybe you should read his summary where he states anyone is capable of working hard if they have to, that means people like you dad too. And I don’t think he said anywhere that educated people are lazy, he just mentioned that educated people have the opportunity to move up to less stressful work.

As far as immigrants, LEGAL, ones help the economy because first they pay taxes which is probably more than they are sending back home. Second depending on the race many of the start businesses, East Asians, South Asians etc many many business, so more benefit for the economy through business taxes and job creation. Also many of them buy houses, since owning your home is a very deep set belief for many immigrants even if they are working three jobs to do it they will buy that house, not the wisest move for many, none the less it helps the economy again.

Illegals on the other hand, though they may help at a local level to individual businesses, are not nearly as beneficial as legal immigrants and in fact the net benefit may be negative given the services they use up that they are not paying for via taxation.

China is greatest threath to western economy. It maybe cheap to make stuff there, but we should realize that at same time we're strenghtening them.

>>10

It's capitalism doing it's job. Are you against capitalism? Are you anti-american?

When the world is 100% capitalist, all it's problems will be solved. Just look at how the not living in poverty problem is being solved in ex-communist China. People sometimes mistake corrupt banana republics as capitalist, they were not capitalist, the government controlled everything so they were in fact communist! That's right, some despots like to pretend to be capitalist. If there is corruption inthe government, the economy is stagnant and the population are living in poverty, then it isn't capitalism. Look elsewhere.

>>12

I am talking about Americans buying Chinese goods. That's capitalism in action.

>>13
So? It's good isn't it? So what if a few manufacturers have to face competition. Eventually workers in China will have to get more education and training until groups of specialist workers realise "hey, without us our employers would be screwed, we deserver a little more from the economy", then China will be as rich as the US and manufacturers in the US won't have to compete with cheap labour.

For the time being you'll just have to work harder for your shareholders.

>>7
yep, plz read carefully next time. we feel your pain but hate to state the obvious; YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS AN IMMIGRANT TOO. i know you wont like hearing that, but hey, he was probably a mick? end of the day, love thy neighbour, let the freemarket forces goto work and let all cheap labours take your job. loads of stuff get outsourced is because of exactly that; free-market. you can't stop it. however if you pay an indian person in delhi like you would in america, im' sure that'll deter the outsourceing and perhaps put an end to it. not to mention, indians will get more spending power and buy more american goods.

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Reuters and smh.com.au

>>15

No.

My grandfather was not an immigrant. My grandfather's ancestry goes all the way back to before the civil war, at the very least.  don't have the documents to prove anything before that.

Actually, after the intial immigration from Britan in which the U.S. was formed, immigration was relatively low. Immigration went up during certain periods, like during the Irish potato famines, but for the most part a lot of people didn't want to move to the U.S.

Most people don't realize that before a century ago, the U.S. was sort of a shitty backwater country in the eyes of Europe, like Britan's retarded cousins or something like that, and our immigrations severely restricted immigration from anywhere else other than from what you would call white countries.  

Of course, if I remember my history lessons correctly, immigration increased over certain periods and dropped over certain periods, but for the most part the U.S. is NOT a nation of immigrants. Somebody came up with a catchy SAYING. We live in a media age where people 'lie about facts' for fun and profit; learn how to think outside parroting propaganda. Politicians and talking heads use language and knowledge in the same way a dog uses a fire hydrant. Basically, the United States is a nation of immigrations as much as any other nation is. Of course, since we have plenty of resources now and have a high standard of living, which was due to the work of native people, EVERYBODY wants to live here. They're just opportunists. Some are opportunistic parasites. It's not like this is new; people haven't changed much in a couple of thousand years, but most of the people of the U.S., and hell even Europe, have their heads so far up their asses with this politically correct bullshit that they can't even see where their own interest lies.

What half of the pro-immigration dumbasses here don't even realize is that if the United States gets overcrowded, then it won't be a nation of plenty for you either. That's why I'm appalled by the lack of common sense that some people just seem to have about these issues. If more people come to the US, then our collective wages get lower and the only people that win out in the end are the people who were rich in the first place. They were already making enough money so they could sit on it in the bank if they wanted too, so they don't have to worry about risk.  The cheaper labor gets; the happier they are. They can go live in their gated community and just watch the money roll in.

I currently live in an all white neighborhood, but that's because I moved from one that had gone downhill. I had to have three locks on my door and fear that I wasn't going to make it through the street if I wore anything better than a tattered t-shirt. It makes you fucking paranoid. Asian people are good, but blacks and mexicans are as scary as hell. They travel in groups and aren't afraid to intimidate some guy they don't even know. 

Look, that's what happens when you let guttertrash into your neighborhood. You have to be very selective about who you are living around, or else you are going to be living in fear for the rest of your life. People who have lived in clean pristine neighborhoods for their entire lives NEVER have this awareness.

There are farmers down around the border that have taken up arms because Mexicans go and squat on their property. These guys are usually armed. It's nice to say you'll call the cops, but what do you care after you've had your face turned into swiss cheese.

If you are asian, black, indian, or whatever, it's in your best interests to decrease immigration too. Why? Because you don't want to become squeezed for resources either. Because you don't want to live in an apartment that looks like an elementary school lunchbox cubby hole like some people do in Japan. Because you don't want to have to live in close proximity with a bunch of people that would as soon knife you in the back for twenty bucks as do anything else. Because this is your fucking country now and you shouldn't have to share. Because YOU should choose who lives in YOUR country. Your a citizen now, and this is your country not THEIRS.

This is not rocket science, people.