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I never said that the concentration camps were THAT nice. They were better than the ones in the US, but they were still forced labor camps. They were labor camps after all, for:
1. Criminals
2. People against the state
3. Non-citizens (i.e. non-germans or people not native to the occupied area)
Look, nobody doubts that nazis killed Jews. Nobody doubts that Jews were mistreated. Japanese were mistreated in the US. The Jews declared war on Germany.
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As for the spreading of lice, why care when you are just going to kill them? Fire kills lice rather well. You don't have to spend hundreds of man hours delousing their clothes and furniture. You don't have to buy fumigant for cleaning their clothes. In fact, if you were being really cost-concious you could just make mass graves and then shoot people and reuse the casings. The National Socialist Germany went through periods of starvation, lack of resources from fuel to everything else, and labor shortages. Germany was a small country against practically THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD, and some other non-western countries as well. U.S., the soviet union, they couldn't afford to waste resources and that included Jews. Heck, V2 rockets were made using ethanol because fuel wasn't readily available. The infamous brownshirts of the National Socialists were army surplus Hitler, ironically, bought from a Jew.
I don't think that Jews were treated like filth generally by the Nazis. I think that some were, and I also think that they were punished in most of those cases. Some of the higher-ups could probably get away with it, but acting like a untermensch was considered bad form in National Socialist Germany. That was generally frowned upon, and they took this sort of thing seriously.
Here are the definitions of national socialist germany from the national socialist german standpoint that are frequently overlooked, and they worked towards this identity in their own definition without fail (and considered the opposite of their ideals to be the Jewish ones.)
1. Honor
2. Dignity
3. Strictness
4. Politeness
I've read quite a few memoirs of Jews, that weren't dripping at the mouth from fear, condemnation, and paranoia at the Germans, remarking on how the Germans were terribly polite. The Germans PRIDED themselves on this. These were the VALUES of their national socialism. National socialists that didn't act according to these rules were sent to the concentration camps.
According to the racial untermensch and ubermensch theories of the Hitler's NS Germany, Jews couldn't be untermensch or ubermensch. Only white people could be untermensch or ubermensch. I've seen sites all over talking about how hitler considered Jews to be untermensch. This is not true. Jews didn't even FIT into nazi eugenics. NS Germany passed laws banning intermarriage with non-germans but Jews were not considered untermensch. Jews were considered a separate people. NS Germany wanted Germany to be Judenfrei, and that included shipping them somewhere else and keeping them away from the Germany population during the interim.
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Nazi Eugenics
The German eugenicist movement was directed primarily against Germans, not Jews. German medical research held that degenerate Whites posed a major threat to German society because of their propensity to greater reproductive levels: in this view, the Nazis were certainly not alone. In 1930, the women's supplement to the Social Democratic Party's newspaper, Vorwaarts, criticized the 1929 Danish sterilization law for not allowing the compulsory sterilization of "inferiors."
In 1931, even the German Communist Party expressed itself in support of sterilization of psychiatric patients under certain conditions. (Racial Hygiene, Medicine under the Nazis, Robert N. Proctor, Harvard University Press, 1988).
As a result of the German Sterilization law, somewhere between 350,000 and 400,000 people had been sterilized in that country by the end of the war in 1945 - none of them Jews and with the only non-Whites being 500 children born of sexual relationships between German women and Black French soldiers who had been used to occupy the Rhineland area after World War One.
Above: Nazi eugenics was primarily concerned with German Whites, not other races. The word "Untermensch" (or sub-man) was actually used to refer to degenerate Whites, not other races. In this illustration from the 1937 publication Volk in Gefahr (A People in Danger), the problem of criminal Whites is addressed so: "The Threat of the Underman. It looks like this: Male criminals had an average of 4.9 children, criminal marriage, 4.4 children, parents of slow learners, 3.5 children, a German family 2.2 children, and a marriage from the educated circles, 1.9 children."
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