I live in LA and right now, they are trying to pass a bill outlawing all abortions with the exception that it was cause by rape or incest and if it jeprodizes the mothers life.
Why is the government compromized mainly of white, old men who represent a small amount of the population. I don't think men should be able to make laws governing what a woman does with her body. I see early term abortions as getting rid of some very unwanted cells growing in ones body. What if I don't have the means of raising a child, what if I don't have the time to take away from school to go through a few months of hell only to give up a child who makes me exponentially uglier and looser, what if I'm a crackwhore who would only make the child grow up the be fuck up and have a horrible, depressing life like all those /b/tards. I'm really scared that this law will be passed seeing how I live in a backwards, uber consevative state.
And also, North Caroline (maybe South I forget) is trying to pass a bill to ban all abortions that don't jeprodize the mothers lifes. WTF?
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Anonymous2006-04-03 23:54
>>120
taking someone's life "warrants" it? an eye for an eye? goddamn it , you dicks claim to be all religous, "god save america" blah blah yet it is perfectly ok to take someone's life away, regardless of their innocence. this is mob antics and we've moved way passed that since the middle ages.
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any religion or God, because I'm not too particularly interested in believing things I can't prove or disprove. My god is my observation. I simply call them as I see them.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 1:29
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.
I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,...
...God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed...
...In your neighbourhood!
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
God needs everybody's.
Mine!
And mine!
And mine!
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!
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Top_Cat2006-04-04 4:36
lol.
seriously though, i think it's sick the way you are not only discounting the value of these lives, but compare them to a tumor or parascite.
would it be okay to give birth to the child, and toss it in a dumpster? or drown it in the lake?
i kind of doubt you would so easily be in the favor of killing one once they've left the womb, so what's so different about a unborn child that makes it perfectly fine to kill it immediately?
and once again, since i know you'll go back to the whole "there's too many unwanted children already"
but how many times have i pointed out that maybe people should stop having sex if they're unprepared to raise whatever children emerge as a result.
as for abortion being a way of taking responsibility? that's a twisted way of dealing with that resposibility. instead of rising to the occasion, and giving that child the best life you can give it, be it by yourself, or by finding a loving home for it, the alternate choice is made, and the decision is made to eliminate that life.
that's not taking responsibility, that's eliminating it.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 6:00
>but how many times have i pointed out that maybe people should stop having sex if they're unprepared to raise whatever children emerge as a result.
Your argument doens't hold water. Just because sex can lead to child-birth does not mean that it has to lead to child birth. Responsible people take precautions or engage in whatever medical procedures are required to circumvent childbirth.
>as for abortion being a way of taking responsibility?
Is exactly right. Sorry; the whoel problem is that the christians are told by their imaginary sky-friend that a lump of flesh in a womb is a person.
It isn't. From the point of cognitive development, the issue doesn't become anything close to a person until months after they've left the womb.
Therefore, using contraception to prevent an unwanted birth -wether it is wearing a rubber or engaing in extraneous tissue removal- is accepting responsibility.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 6:50
>>Sorry; the whoel problem is that the christians are told by their imaginary sky-friend that a lump of flesh in a womb is a person.
To imply that a fetus isn’t alive is nonsense. It means we would have to completely rewrite our definition of that life is as it goes through all the life processes. And they call it a human fetus for a reason. But all you can do is bash religion (I am not a Christian and I am against abortion) and throw around loaded words.
I would respect the pro-abortion side so much more if they just admitted abortion is murder but still thought it did more good then harm, rather then thinking up nonsense about how fetuses are parasites that magically appear in a womans womb.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 10:28
What about birth control? People dying of AIDs is okay? Seems they value the sperm rather than the person. Pretty damn hypocritical.
"Wah, wah but what about the fetus? It's a HUMAN!" Those Pro-Forced Children Into Poverty love to talk about other people's bodies but haven't done a damn thing to minimize the suffering of children they see begging in the streets.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 10:37
>>118
I'm sure there are plenty of white children being adopted as well. The only difference is that those who are adopting probably aren't celebrities, which is why you don't hear about it.
let me cut your whole argument off there with the fact that there wouldn't be so many of these unwanted babies around if people didn't make them unprepared to care for them.
what the hell makes the idea of abstinence so damn unthinkable in your mind? frivolus sex is the SOURCE of the fucking problem. if people would'nt go around having meaningless sex, there wouldn't even be these unwanted unborn babies to kill. we wouldn't have to debate whether it's better they be put up to adoption or killed, be cause women wouldn't go around getting knocked up just for the sake of a night of "entertainment"
Married couples have accidental pregnancies too, you know.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 14:07
Some benefits of sex and why frivilous sex will not end as long as human beings exist:
Lower mortality rates.
Reduced risk of prostate cancer.
Improves posture.
Boosts self esteem.
Makes a person feel younger.
Firms tummy and buttocks.
Keeps spouses connected emotionally.
Offers pain-relief.
Gives people a positive attitude on life.
Reduced risk of heart disease.
Makes a person more calm.
Improves fitness level.
Makes a person less irritable.
Reduced depression.
Improved sense of smell.
If you are suggesting frivilous sex should end, then you're either not getting any or your junk doesn't work properly.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 14:08
I want frivilous sex
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Anonymous2006-04-04 15:25
Lower mortality rates.
That sounds like a spurious correlation.
Reduced risk of prostate cancer.
Sure, I'll take this one. By how much?
Improves posture.
... Not necessarily.
Boosts self esteem.
... For some people. Some people don't need it, and with some relationships factors related to sex can REDUCE self-esteem.
Makes a person feel younger.
... For women maybe. Orgasms make me feel like I just cast Haste and aged a year.
Firms tummy and buttocks.
... Depends on what kind of sexual activity. This is another spurious correlation. This is related to fitness, and you can go for a jog or lift weights instead.
Keeps spouses connected emotionally.
... Not necessarily. People can have sex and feel very emotionally disconnected, even spouses. It doesn't 'Keep' anything although it could possibly help. You could do just as much or MORE by actually paying attention to what your spouse has to say and acting on it.
Offers pain-relief.
... Temporarily. After the refraction period there is a time of INCREASED sensitivity to pain, like getting off of a high.
Gives people a positive attitude on life.
...Not necessarily. Could make somebody more pessimistic about life. Depends on what your ideas and attitude on sex are, and why you are with your partner... etc.
Reduced risk of heart disease.
Ok.
Makes a person more calm.
...Ok?
Improves fitness level.
Any sort of exercise does this, and you aren't going to lose 50 pounds with sex anytime soon.
Makes a person less irritable.
For women. Men after the moneyshot start getting more irritable afterwards.
Reduced depression.
For women.
Improved sense of smell.
Ok?
Not mentioned:
Sexual fluids, especially in men, are very similar in composition to cerebrospinal fluid. So, you waste alot of the stuff that you use to keep your brain moist and energized.
Addiction. Sex is addictive. Sexual addiction can screw up somebody's life.
However all of this is moot because I like too sex too much anyway.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 17:06
Guys, we all have reproductive systems with the potential to make babies. I propose we all have unprotected sex around the clock, because to do otherwise would be killing the chances of each sperm and each egg to produce a child. Masturbating and discarding the sperm is murder too. Those sperm could be cute little babies. Whenever a woman has a period or a miscarriage, send them to prison. They're wasting potential human lives.
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Anonymous2006-04-04 17:07
Oh and fertility clinics should be burned to the ground. They store embryos, and they also throw some away. Throwing away fertilized eggs. Throwing away potential human lives. Send the doctors and workers to the electric chair, we're trying to have a culture of life here.
The same thing according to who? You? I don't agree and neither does God, nor do the absolute dynamics of ethics and morals. Yours is the dumb opinion. If People deserve murder in ANY instance and to you these babies are people- then there you go. Dead babies.
Regardless, if this is YOUR belief, then YOU should be the one to exercise it. You don't have the right, nor responsibility to tell anyone else what to do with their body. Getting your tubes tied kills potential babies as well- you're going to stop women from doing that?
You want to know the real reason America, or rather the WEST will NEVER outlaw choice when it comes abortion? Because outlawing abortion would be nationalizing a woman's body in the most definitive sense of the word. And frankly, that far too close to communism for the likings of a capitalist society.
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Anonymous2006-04-07 1:23
>>145
When does a clump of cells become human? Do you decide that?
So you are saying that the death penalty is wrong?
Ok that's fine and so those who oppose abortion are hypocrites if they support the death penalty. right?
So what does that make those who oppose the death penalty yet vehemently support abortion? I would take a gander that many who are pro abortion are also anti death penalty since they are both issues found on the "left" side of the spectrum.
I think I would rather be a hypocrite on the side of innocent babies rather than a hypocrite on the side of murdering scum.
Now your next argument is the same ridiculous shit that the apologists for infanticide always spew, "oh no you are forcing your views on to my body"
I believe I can kill whom ever I want to, can I? Why can't I "exercise" my belief? Wait I also want to have sex with any hot chicks I see, by force if necessary, that is my belief, can I "exercise" that? Why not?
No one is talking about "potential" babies, it is not "potential babies that are being chopped up into little bits just because some woman thinks she can't afford it, its real living babies.
What is the difference between a baby an hour before birth and one an hour after? Only difference is the former can be legally murdered the latter cannot.
Increasingly medical advances make it possible for severely premature babies to survive and lead very normal lives, so again what is the difference in that case except the mother's choice?
So if the mother has choice over her "property" why was it wrong for blacks to be kept as slaves, why is it wrong for women to murder their children after birth, toddlers are no less dependant on their parents or other adults for survival than a baby in the womb. Why do women need the vote at one time they were considered the "property" of their husbands? Now they turn around and want the baby to be considered their property "my body" the almighty ME. The whole point is that the baby is not the woman’s body, it is a separate human being that happens to spend 9 months in there.
The only silver lining is that these selfish murderers are eliminating themselves from the gene pool with every abortion!
"...why was it wrong for blacks to be kept as slaves... Why do women need the vote at one time they were considered the "property" of their husbands?"
Hmmm, I seem to remember people using the Bible to justify these ills.
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Anonymous2006-04-07 2:04
>>148
No, they are not hypocrites. This argument has been repeated over nad over like 50 times already. Here it is, take it or continue to be a fagtroll.
"Mr. A believes a fetus is a human being and that criminals deserve to die. A fetus is a human being and not a criminal. Ergo: A fetus does not deserve to die."
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Anonymous2006-04-07 2:05
Actually change that to...
"Mr. A believes a fetus is a human being and that people who commit extremely evil crimes deserve to die. A fetus is a human being and not a criminal. Ergo: A fetus does not deserve to die."
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Anonymous2006-04-07 2:46
first of all, http://www.armyofgod.com & #039;s version of abortion is completely and utterly wacked. the abortion - "baby killers" - pictures illustrated on site clearly shows a baby to be viable. the term viability in this case means that the unborn child is into the third trimester, and you fellow american wacks, have deemed abortion at that stage to be illegal. mothers can only abort at this stage if carrying the baby is hazardous to health, not by their own choice or initiative. These evangelical fuckers twisted the truth and sited zero reference to these pictures for the sole purpose of strenghening their own beliefs.
fucking right wing conservative fucks. why are you on 4chan looking up porn and hentai shit? go back to your bible study classes!
Blah blah blah. There's a difference between PREVENTING CRIME and NATIONALISING PEOPLE BODIES, as well you know. Doing something to yourself, by yourself, for yourself shouldn't be a crime. You can talk about the morality of it all you want- but that is precisely my point. If YOU want to live under those rules- then find other people in other states who live under those rules and DO SO. But trying to make everyone conform to your unintelligent viewpoints = NO FUCK YOU. Your argument doesn't work here. Sorry: IT JUST DOESN'T. Yours is the dumb opinion because you try and say "fetus" when we aren't even killing fetuses.
Is killing a plant wrong? It's "Alive" and has commited no crime. What about the innocents of war and poverty? What about the innocent victims of strife that American foreign policy creates? They're alive- is that wrong? Should we outlaw that?
There's a conflict here you're purposefully trying to glaze over- but your argument doesn't work in today's world. SORRY. gb2/1940 when America needed to out birth the rest of the world for upcoming wars. We don't need to do so now.
Seems to me you know the people who end up in these situation and end having the kid are the middle and lower classes this = more soliders and this = more death. If you are against death, you should be against it all forms. If you love children so much, you should be taking care of the unwanted ones. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? People like YOU are the reason people get abortions and not give up their kid for adoption.
You REFUSE to address the reality that orphans aren't great contributers to society at large. They usually waste away.
"fucking right wing conservative fucks. why are you on 4chan looking up porn and hentai shit? go back to your bible study classes! "
Gee I guess if you like "hentai and porn and shit" then you automatically like to kill babies? WTF are you talking about this is not a religious issue, it has been made so by those living off of dead babies, it is a human rights issue, what do you say to the atheist who is against abortion, there are many? "zomg GTFO back to you bible study"? retard.
You fail yet again at stating another convoluted argument that contradicts itself, paraphrasing here the general argument made:
"These are unwanted children and they will have a shity life"
So the other part of you argument is that for the most part the people who procure abortion are poor etc.. that is they *already* lead the kind of life you forsee for the unborn child. Do you see the lack of logic in that argument?
Do you think they would rather be dead or lead their "shitty" lives? Why are there even poor people in the world then, if it is so much better to be dead rather than leading a "shitty" life, they should all be commiting mass suicide.
So obviously it is another vaporous argument put forth by those profitting from dead babies.
Death is very permanent, poverty is not, where there is life there is hope to do something better.
You ignorance is appalling. Take a basic econ class, retard. There are so many poor people because they don't know how to control their finances while the other poor people in the world are poor due to their country's incompetence and/or corruption.
A responsible parent shouldn't bring a kid in this who has to beg on the streets.
A responsible parent wouldn't kill their children.
Where was I ever talking about the reason why there are poor? I am merely stating that if being poor is such a suffering that the baby who might "potentialy" be poor should be killed, then all the poor people should be killing themselves, but they aren't so your (i.e. arbortion proponents) argument that babies should be aborted because their lives would be worse otherwise is fail, because obviously being alive and poor is still a better choice than being dead.
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Anonymous2006-04-07 13:36
What makes you think they're not dying in droves?
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Anonymous2006-04-07 13:42
>>158
The poor are dying in droves? ...in America, the poor are fat.
Wrong. You're thinking of the middle class and the upperclasses that aren't star fuckers. You need to move to a city right away so that you know how stupid you are.