Smite them utterly

The Bible teaches us that we should destroy civilizations utterly.  What civilization, group, organization, political party, city, nation, mitilitia, club, ideology, belief system, or community should we destroy?

Numbers

21:3  And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.
21:34  And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon.
21:35  So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive:  and they possessed his land.

Deuteronomy

2:33  And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
2:34  And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
2:35  Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.
2:36  From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us:
2:37 Only unto the land of the children of Ammon thou camest not, nor unto any place of the river Jabbok, nor unto the cities in the mountains, nor unto whatsoever the LORD our God forbad us.

Exodus

22:20  He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
22:24  And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
22:29  Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Joshua

6:20  So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
6:21  And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
6:24  And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

>>1
Congratulations for basing your interpretation of the Bible upon a couple of early Old Testament chapters.

/r destroy utterly:

-Mormons
-Freemasons
-Skull & Bones members
-Hari Krishnas
-Kirby vacuum salesmen
-Cutco salesmen
-KKK
-Neo Nazis
-Prisoners
-Mexican and black street gangs
-Mounties

Don't rely on the bible for insight.It has been translated many times over the last 4000 years or so and no two versions say the same thing.

>>3
/r destroy utterly:

-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews
-Jews

fix'd

>>5
/r destroy utterly:

 -Jews
 -Jews
 -????
 - no JEWS = PROFIT

My point was, who decides who is a jew and who isn't? Hitler was all like "lol u r jew, u r jew + u r jew, now g2 oven" all the time sending people off to concentration camps like he didn't care if they were actually jew or not. Like a witch hunter.

The same could be done with skull and bones members and freemasons. No one knows any freemasons, ANYONE COULD BE A FREEMASON! WAAAH ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A FREEMASON OR A KKK. ANYONE WHO CHALLENGES ME IN DEBATE MUST BE A RACIST! etc..

Hitler didn't send anybody to an oven or gas chamber.

http://www.ihr.org/

These people were send to jail for their findings on the Holocaust, and their conclusion that there was no systematic murder of Jews.
http://germarrudolf.com/
http://www.zundelsite.org/
http://www.fpp.co.uk/

Fred A. Leuchter, an expert in the field of capital punishment wrote the Leuchter report.

http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

A list of various revisionists. Apparently having a doctorate in history can't save you when you in Europe. Revisionists had their houses firebombed, fined or sent to jail for 'holocaust denial' where 'the truth is no defense,' attacked on the streets, deported to countries where the 'holocaust denial' laws are more strict, been the targets of huge smear campaigns, threatened with assassination and with other threats in phone calls, been the targets of economic and political assassination, and in the case of David Cole (a Jew himself) who easily showed the flaws in the holocaust/holohoax myth in a now famous video he recanted under DEATH threats from other Jews.

Well, atleast these inquirers into truth, have got alot of guts.

http://www.revisionists.com/

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David Cole

Background:

This young Jewish Revisionist filmmaker came to the defense of Ernst Zündel when Zündel needed defending. Subsequently, Zündel and Cole made a film in Auschwitz, with David Cole pointing out all the things wrong with that theme park of hate against Germans. Later yet, Cole came to Canada to lecture to large audiences on his Revisionist findings in Auschwitz, together with David Irving. He also appeared with Zündel in Munich, Germany, spreading Revisionism right under the watchful eyes of the German political police. In a vicious letter posted on the Internet, the Jewish Defense League threatened Cole's life. Emotionally fragile and torn between his conscience and family loyalties as well as filial devotion, he could not withstand the pressure and recanted with an abject apology to his tribesmen and tormentors. Every serious Revisionist understands that this act of recantation was coerced and may have bought David his very survival.

Repercussions:

Became a victim of the JDL. Was physically beaten. Had his life threatened on the Internet by the Jewish Defense League.
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Understanding Anti-Semitism, has some things about the Holocaust. This is a very good movie.
http://www.honestmediatoday.com/UAS-WMV2.wmv

David Cole on Auschwitz. David Cole is Jewish; David Cole had a multitude of death threats after making this video.
http://www.solargeneral.com/av/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv



Watch these two movies and then explain to me how anyone would believe the six million figure. The Red Cross gave the ok for the Nazi concentration camps. Oh, you didn't know they were inspected by the Red Cross?

Whoops, International Red Cross is an anti-semetic organization, based on universal love etc etc etc; you know, those bloodthirsty Christians.

Did you know that the Jewish population increased during WWII?
Around 16 million Jews in the world, if half of them died I doubt that their population would have increased.

Did you know that in the areas occupied by Germany during WWII, there were only about 4 million Jews?

Did you know that the "Master List" of people who died in concentration camps equaled 300,000 people and that included criminals, lowlifes, and Jews?

Did you know that there is no blue gas staining on the walls of the supposed gas chambers?

Did you know that the "Jewish Soap" and the "Jewish Lampshades" were genetically tested, after the technology was developed, and no human fat or skin was found?

Did you know that there was a manhole that could have been easily used to escape the "gas chambers"?

Did you know there was a wooden door with a pane of glass in it, still standing from WWII, that the prisoners could have easily broken through in the "gas chamber" area?

Did you know that there was an open area that led from the "gas chambers" to the crematorium, and that the "gas" they supposedly used was explosive?

Did you know that the gas they supposed used was for killing vermin and used through Europe?

Did you know that they had more deadly and efficient alternative gases to the gas they supposedly used?

Did you know that the Nazis regularly used that gas to clean clothing and beds, in order to keep disease and lice down so that the residents could remain healthy?

Did you know that the Nazis had a swimming pool for the residents and regularly held soccor games?

Did you ever wonder why the efficiency obsessed Nazis would use silly expensive and inefficient gas chambers, instead of just shooting people in mass graves like Stalin did? (Did you know that communism (or atleast in Russia and in its origins) is a primarily Jewish movement?)(Did you know that the same applies to the *hah hah* "Russian" mafia?)

Did you know that the crematoriums would have had to work overtime every day and night to cremate 6 million people; in fact, most people think it would have been impossible?

Did you know that if you cremated 6 million people you would have a pile of ash that would be visible from space?

Did you know that nobody could ever find any evidence of 6 million people dying, except for soldier 'testimonials' (who weren't there, and just saw starved people,) the tesimonies of people under torture (in one case a person who had been 'interrogated' had his balls crushed among other things,)  and Soviet propaganda that was printed before the Jews were even put in concentration camps and the testimony of Jews from the concentration camps who weren't in a position to know everything that happened in Germany and were biased?

Did you know that there were many other popular stories about the holocaust such as electro-chambers and lots of other ridiculous stories that were dropped almost immediately after the war?

Did you know that the Holocaust is the justification for the US and Germany to literally send billions of dollars to Israel per year (millions of dollars per month) (Israel is 65% government jobs) and to 4 million(?) Jews who receive a pension?

Did you know that some of these pensions run into the MILLIONS of dollars per person??????

Did you know that "World Jewry" declared war on Germany before Jews were rounded up into concentration camps?

Have you ever heard of the Nazi Hunters, who have even been recently hunted people well into their 80's(?), or the concentration camps made up of Germans after WWII?

Did you hear about the mass starvation (? shooting as well?) of 12 million Ukrainians by a Jewish Rabbi who was in charge of Ukraine(?) during the time of communism?

Did you know that people automatically go to jail in Europe for talking about these things publicly, and that "Telling The Truth" is no defense?

Have you ever asked, "Why haven't I heard any of this before?"


Once you know the facts, you find yourself asking the very serious question of why anybody ever believed this genocide of Jews nonsense, or rather what would be the motivations behind anyone supporting such an overblown fairy tale. There were Jews in concentration camps, but they were far from mass-murdered. They were taken care of as well as their hosts could afford to. They were starving near the end of the war, but, guess what, SO WERE THE GERMANS.
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They pushed the Krema I idea at Auschwitz until David Cole came along and sliced it to pieces, they have since abandoned that and claim other buildings were used. Now its Krema II (which is a non-descript pile of bricks underneath a roof), Krema III (rubble), etc. Problem with these of course is, a pile of rubble proves nothing. No special doors, ventilation equipment or other items were recovered, and Im not about to believe the retreating Germans (often using horse-drawn artillery) dragged Krema doors all over Europe and masterfully tucked them away where they remain to this day. I have not so much as seen a door frame that would match a metal gas-tight door that would be needed. Example is below:

Here is an interesting photo, a photo taken strangely which to me is suspicious:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/...-bunker-11.jpg

The caption is:

"Iron door sealing the underground area of Block 11 in Auschwitz main camp, where the first homicidal gassing in the camp took place."


Look at that door. That is a regular, possibly metal, door, but is it airpoof? Sealed? NO. Therefore not feasible for use with explosive poison gas. End of story.

By the way, anyone hear of them finding the mystery factories that produced the implements of these mass gassings? Surely there must have been some factory with stocks of spare parts, extra doors, gas suits, etc...

Regarding typhus:

Let the US Army enlighten us on this topic...

"When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes. Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the Judge Advocate General's Department. Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US. Army prosecutors. (note 1)

Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American journalist in 1980, "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." (note 2)

And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater," (note 3) informed Wichita Eagle reporter Jan Floerchinger that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." (note 4) Neither Dr. Larson nor any other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust historian to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether Zyklon-B or any other variety.

Typhus, not poison gas.

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death? Deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well. As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind which until recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US. forces in Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows:

Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced. (note 5)

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases." (note 6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvations but had decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well-equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps."

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There was a history channel special on Auschwitz, "new evidence" I think it was called, it showed aerial photographs of the camp along with survivor interviews. 

>>1 = Born Again Christian Rightwinger.

I haven't seen this 'new evidence.' Although, 'new' evidence coming up more than 50 years later always makes me suspicious as a historian.

Look, I always love how people just run around in circles talking about tertiary issues like survivor stories as if they were some form of refutation to:

(I'm too lazy to resort the numbers)

2. If the Jewish population was 1/2th'd or 1/3ed'd (I forget which) then why in the hell did their population go up during WWII? That's alotta babies!

3. Why did the 'anti-semetic' organization of the !Red Cross! give the German concentration camps their seal of approval? (They inspected the camps.)

4. Why wasn't there any testimony /not under TORTURE and threats to kill family members/ that there were concentration camps?

5. The Germans were always fastitious in keeping records. How come these things weren't recorded.

6. Why were there only around 300,000-400,000 people detained in concentration camps on record (including criminals, traitors, gypsies, Jews, and other people the National Socialists didn't approve of) if six MILLION were killed? The Germans kept records of EVERYTHING.

7. How precisely did the Germans manage to cremate six million people. People who specialize in cremation have said this was patently impossible. The ashes of six million people would be VISIBLE FROM SPACE. The ironic thing I keep on thinking of is that when you look at all these concentration camps, and think to yourself... 6,000,000? These camps would have trouble with a couple of thousand...  

8. Zyklon B was used as a delousing agent. It's known that the Germans wrote plenty of letters talking about how to increase the quality of life for the people in concentration camps (not Jews specifically but indirectly.) I guess that's why they built swimming pools, orchestras, and soccor fields for the people in the concentration camps. Why go to all that trouble if you're just going to kill people?

9.Zyklon B sucks at killing people. It's like trying to kill somebody by putting them in a bathroom you just bleached. Yes, the National Socialists somehow managed to kill six million people using something about as deadly as smelling bleach. The only reason why Zyklon B would even be suggested, as ludiocrous as it is, would be because the National Socialists didn't keep any truly lethal hazardous gases around. Yes, six million Jews were fumigated to death. (Rolls eyes) Beyond ridiculous. The Nazis must have also poisoned them with salt in the hopes that they would grow diamond bunions! Just come up with something ridiculous and easily proven to be untrue! If it's about the holocaust, you can get sent to jail for doubting it in Europe and the truth is not a defense.

10. If the National Socialists wanted to kill people, by God they could kill people. A tiny European nation taking on the rest of Europe, Russia, and the United States proves that beyond a doubt. The Germans could kick serious ass and were definately hardcore. So, why in the Hell, didn't they just go ahead and dig pits like Stalin and just shoot people while in the pits. The Germans were very efficiency minded people. They didn't have a lot to waste in the first place. Why not just shoot the Jews and reuse the casings? Why do some crazy evil genius type plan? Shower heads? With Gas? It goes totally against every single National Socialist ideal. If the National Socialists wanted you dead, they'd shoot you in the head. Quick and efficient. No bullshit. They'd also shoot you somewhere so the mess would be easy to clean up. In short, no silly underhanded plans from these guys. That's too 'Jewish' for a National Socialist.

11. The first 'holocaust' storied were something around 40 million Jews, or some ridiculous number like that. Over time, the numbers decreased. The first stories were of things like electro-shock chambers and other ridiculous ideas. Over time, the stories that were just totally unbelievable lies managed to get weeded out. Eventually, after people actually genetically tested them, the soap and the lamp shade stories (the lie is that they made out of Jews) were proven false using modern technology. No human skin or fat. Ironically, the German soap that was tested was actually without fat if I remember correctly, a rather cheaply made soap because the Germans had shortages of everything, even fuel (V2 rockets were made with ethanol if my memory serves correctly. The one thing the Germans had an endless supply of was practical genius.)

12. It goes against the National Socialist modus operandi. Look, if somebody suggested the systematic extermination of somebody, then guess what a National Socialist would say to you, "That sounds like something a Jew would do." They took this thing very seriously. National Socialists are sort of like the modern day and practical extension of those guys that sat in ranks and agreed to shoot each other. They were VERY concerned with honor, dignity, and fair play. They screwed over the Jews, but that's because the Jews screwed over them, or so their story goes. Some things they simply wouldn't have done, because they would have considered them Jewish. Let me point out to you that many Jewish holidays celebrate the Jewish slaughter of their enemies, and the old testament has a couple of stories of Jews gleefully slaughtering entire peoples, sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers, and even LIVESTOCK. The Jews are quite ethnocentric and you don't survive as a collective in alien environments by being nice. A National Socialist would tell you straight up that they didn't like Jews, although not all of them were bad, but wiping out all of them would be Jewish ideal and not German. Hitler talked about setting up a place for Jews in Madagascar.

13. No gas chambers. No proof. No prussian blue staining. No physical evidence. Killing six million people leaves physical traces. Killing a THOUSAND people leaves traces. You can't hide killing 100 people, and today killing ten without notice would be impossible.

14. Auschwitz. Number killed at one stage, 4 mil. Changed the sign to like 2mil. Then to 1.5 mil. Then to 1mil. I think they recently changed it or are thinking about changing it to 800 something thousand. Why the change? A colleague of mine once made a joke that Jewish math goes something like this:
 6,000,000
-6,000,000
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 6,000,000

Some things are funny because they're true.

Look, I could come up with distractions from the six million myth all day. There are so many proofs, undeniable proofs, against the six million myth or the systematic killing myth that I can't even LIST them all from memory (and I've done a lot of research in this area.)

Quite frankly, in open debate with openminded people, the holohoax is dead. The Germans mistreated some people in the concentration camps, but they didn't systematically murder anybody. They probably treated the concentration camp members better than the Japanese were treated in the US during their internment, and for a longer time. I'm an American and I have no problems saying this, but the truth is the truth. Case closed.

detractions.. not distractions :p

Sometimes I wish posts were editable.

>>13

It also needs to be mentioned that National Socialists did kill directly/indirectly, but there were no systematic exterminations or fantastic numbers killed. The paltry sum of Jews that died in internment in concentration camps is nothing compared to the ?22? million that died in WW2. We have our own dead to bury, who fought bravely and poor compensation, and didn't demand reparations for surviving a lie.

>>13
 4. ia aupposed to be 'that there were gassings in'

I'm sure a good number of us don't say these things to sympathize with the Nazis or anything, maybe some are but who cares, but there's truth to be told, and those goddam euro fags aren't going to get to it anytime soon.

So we [4chan] all agree that the Holocaust didn't happen?

Bush thinks he is God, and so, he kills indiscriminately. 666 is the tatto on his scalp.

>>8


pathetic excuses. while i dont trust what history books say, i dont have a good reason to trust you either. albeit, wwii killed a lot of people, and i condemn all who were involved in it.

>>20
There is no wwii, just a continuation of the first one. If anything it should just be World War, World War: Resting Period, and World War: Part Deux
If I had the opportunity to erase anyone from history...I wonder what would happen if I struck down Wilson. Fucking zealot.

>>21
Woodrow was just an idealistic pacifist n00b who got pulled under by power politics. He had good intentions with his 14 points and League of Nations. Don't blame him, blame the Brits who thought they could use us as frontline meat.

>>21
>>22
Both good points. Woodrow Wilson sucks hardcore for domestic shit, he had nothing to do with ww1, we only paint the picture that he led us into ww1 in US history texts because the alternative is to make us look like we weren't in total control of that war as we were in the continuation. It's an ego thing for countries.