WHAT Seperation of Church and State ?

Liberals like to blather on about the seperation of church and state; but where in the constitution or bill of rights is that mandated?

NO Where, that's where!

God isn't mentioned either, n00b

>>1
Who the fuck cares about the constitution anymore?

>>3
Truth told, the marxists make the rules now!

Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics, Great Russia has welded forever to stand, Created in struggle by will of the people, United and mighty, our Soviet land!

Only in venezula, n00b.

Have you bothered to read it you fucking retarded imbecile?

Amendment I (That's the FIRST one!)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

>>6
respecting != funding or being advised by; this is a common mistake among liberals.

That just means that they won't give, say, the catholics the run of the white house; it doesn't have any thing at all to do with saying a prayer in a public school (in fact, in all courts you're sworn on a bible. zOMG!)

>>1
didn't say anything about funding or being advised by or allowing school prayers. But let's go over each one.

1. Funding. Why does these relgious organizations need funding? They already get tax breaks. They've got faithful followers like you that donate to them. You do donate right? What do you want? Full fledged support in the laws? That would obviously violate the first amendment.

2. Since you seem to be an expert on definitions, why don't you define what you mean by "being advised by." I find it hard to believe that anyone who is truely believes in God or whatever would not consult Him in their minds/hearts before they take action. I don't think there's anyway to stop that either. What do you want? Gather up all the pastors, priests, or rather only the religious leaders that fit your ideology and have them "advise" (ie tell) politicians on what to do? That would clearly violate the first amendment.

3. School prayer. This one has always boggled me. I've always been able to pray at school. I just don't do it in groups. I don't do it out loud. I don't force people to watch it. It's rather a personal thing. Do you need to pray out loud in groups for it to be effective? This is one of the biggest non-issues you could've brought up.

Funding and certainly be advised by needs respect for it to work. So yes, semantically they are != , but quit playing word games. Can you swear on your Bible that you're not trying to promote one religion over another why you ask a question like that?

To do what Amendment I set out to do it would be impossible without separation of church and state.

Oh and public schools are a governmental function. In a civilized areas there are kids of many faiths that have to attend. One group of clowns forcing their beliefs on others is not wanted. As a governmental fucntion it has the responsiblity to prevent that from happening. No one's stopping you from going to a private school. You people have whooped and hollered enough that the gov is even giving rebates so you can go to your religious schools.

>>8

It's futile, these morons still think that we came from some guy's rib.  Don't even bother, after all, the world does need it's share of the proverbial "ditch diggers."

I'm glad the United States government has yet to hand over it's reins to people who thought that they saw the shape of a fetus in the hurricane Katrina, and therefore believe that it was in retribution for abortion. 

I'm glad that in the United States, we still don't have to submit to the beliefs of those who think that the devil created fossils just to fool people into believing that dinosaurs existed.

I'm glad that in America, we aren't at the mercy of the Christians who seems to forget pretty much every suggestion about living life laid down by the ten commandments, none of which condone racism, bigotry, or killing.

And I'm especially glad that the ignorance spouted by churches in the Midwest has yet to have any effect on our government.

Oh, no...

Having gone to a Catholic school, I found it pretty amusing that the only ones who actually understood most of the religious teaching that we learned about in classes were those who called themselves atheists, agnostics, or those who were of some other religion other than Christianity.  The real Bible-thumpers of the class were the ones who got so caught up in the semantics they couldn't understand the underlying teachings.

i gotta point out the bit about fossils here.
science and the bible don't disagree unless you make them.
those that belive that satan crated fossils to test faith, need to consider the possibility that what they FOUND is true, but the assumptions they made based on it are bull honkey.

reptiles keep growing untill they die, remember the flood? some think that before that water fell from the sky, it was forming a super-ozone layer, that let NO UV light through. as a result, everything lived about 15 times longer. those lizards could have gotten pretty big. and that's when we stopped getting most dinosaurs. some think there's still some around in very far off dense forests, where maybe komodo dragons or such can get pretty big by avioding UV rays.

oh and evolution, yes, it happens. does that mean that absolutely all life was formed by it? there's not really palientology to say that. maybe they just assumed they found something contradicting the bible, or MADE thier story do so because they're anti-theists.

>>13
Urm.. Reptiles don't keep growing till they die. Domesticated reptiles with a longer life expectancy and more food than those in the wild grow up to be only slightly larger than their wild counterparts and stop growing.

UV radiation isn't the major cause of death amongst animals in the wild, ageing and general expsoure and wear and tear is. Which incidentally does not occur when stem cells divide.