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Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 1:18

This forum is full of it, but it's all true. The facts are there. Maybe there is a little hyperbole, sure black people can become doctors, fly planes etc... I'm a reasonable human being, I was raised in a liberal environment. I have bullied before, but never been racist and I see bigotry as immature, however I can't escape the fact that they are indeed very unusual looking.

http://unicast.org/forums/forum.php?forum_id=1

"golly, niggers are hideous with their buck teeth, black skin and brillo heads. Egads."

Just do a google search for skull shapes of different races and albino black people... CAucasian and mongoloid skulls are about the same and both these races have obviously exceeded negrito races in culture and civilisation. Even the obscure native americans constructed early civilisations. Their hunter gatherers tribes only existed due to their isolation, deprived of the circumstnaces that allow for agrarian civilisation. Given another 1000 years after the SPanish arrived, and the Gulf of Mexico would be like the Mediteranean circa 1000 B.C..

Though I can't say the same for black civilisations, they were not isolated, theywere exposed to the Egyptians, who were arabic, im not one of these nuts who thinks they are white. I really am not a racist or even a far right conservative...

I can't contain what i think anymore and I shouldn't be afraid of expressing my thoughts. They do look so animal like, it is as if they are a relic from evolution before human civilisation. In fact that's what they are, the only tribal systems outside of sub-saharran africa left by around 1300 were in areas which didn't have much food. Yet in the rich jungles of africa they still lived in the stone age, never utilising the wide range of plants there.

I think the out of africa theory is correct and that blacks haven't evolved much whilst caucasians and mongoloids have had to deal with the ice age.

How should I approach these facts rationally? Liberals say I should just ignore them, conservatives say I should become a whtie supremacist nut. Surely there is another way? Surely there is a way to get society to accept these facts without sinking into depths of paranoia and stupidity.

Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:50

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:51

>>995

"Doesn't seem" based on what fucking study, dipshit? That's right! There hasn't been one! But why? Why don't you guys ever talk about how the Bell Curve was funded by Pioneer Fund Nazis?

And again the problem is that race is defined socially and culturally first and biologically second. Without the social and cultural construct of race already in place- we'd have no grounds for the "biologics" of race. Brown skin would be as meaningless as brown spots on a Cow. Race IS a haphazard social construct. It's only good if you're looking to ethically cleanse people.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:51

Wow...  It says we can't reply anymore but GASP!  We CAN!

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:51

Fuck that was cheap. Nooooo! ;o;

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:51

Hahaha. Hilarity!

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:52

>>989 When the whites came to places in Africa that were not like Europe- they couldn't survive.

Someone tell the Boers and the Rhodesians.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:53

>>1003
You can't deny that black people have heavier bones and higher strength than white people.  This isn't a social construct. 

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:55 (sage)

>>1003 Pioneer Fund Nazis

Godwin's Law.  You lose.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:56

>>1013
Sure he can.  Just watch him.  He denies that race exists and claims that all human beings are genetically identical.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 1:58

>>996

Pick up a science jounal.

All skin color is is a collection of genes that determine certain things; since it's possible to find simlarities between individuals in one trait, is it not conceivable that there are similarities in other traits?

Because these differences in traits aren't there because of skin color you fucking idiot. This is what you refuse to understand. They are there because of the environment. Food eaten, climate, etc. Asians are smarter because they eat alot of fish, not because they are FUNDAMENTALLY genetically smarter.

Because everyone *is* generally the same. It's the sad truth of humanity, only a small minority of people cause dramatic changes in the course of mankind. "But we're allllll different >:o"

Nope, from what I've seen (and I've had the benefit of leaving my country and my state and actually seeing the world) - we're pathetically the same in our differences. There is no such thing as change without coaxing from the environment.

You want to call black people dumb? Then acknowledge the environmental factors. Like white killing off the intelligent blacks and breeding the biggest, blackest and dumbest. Before their interference in the negroid gene pool they were just like any other culturally identified race and more importantly they weren't just all lumped together.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 2:00

>>1019 these differences in traits aren't there because of skin color you fucking idiot.

lol strawman.  The only one making that claim is YOU.  Work on your reading comprehension.  U FAIL IT, LURK MOAR

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 2:01

>>1017

Never said they are genetically identical, you fuckwit. But everything works with a caste of genes that were present in sub-saharan Africans.

You are basically an African with white skin and "white" history and culture re-enforcing your PERCIEVED solidarity from negroids. But you aren't special, you aren't different. Deal with it.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 2:02

>> Because these differences in traits aren't there because of skin color you fucking idiot. This is what you refuse to understand.

You're the fucking idiot.  Didn't you just get through saying that you didn't deny a genetic component to intelligence?  Give that, since the default skin color (for example, without sun exposure) is DEFINATELY genetic, does it not follow that there are some genes relating to intelligence that could follow?

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 2:05

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Ah, this shit AGAIN.  It doesn't fucking matter that the genes exist in sub-saharan africans.  What matters is what combination of genes are prevalent, leading to which genes get expressed.  Some combinations may be more well adapted than others. 

This is the reason why black prevalent genes are dominant over white prevalent genes in a 4-1 ratio, because the black genes that were mal-adapted to the environments outside of africa were de-selected as it were.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 2:13

>>1023
Typical of blacks.  To assume that everyone is as dedicated to race as they are.  My only dedication is to the truth, to science.  Not to politically correct gibberish.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 4:27

Like white killing off the intelligent blacks and breeding the biggest, blackest and dumbest

You mean evil whitey was culling entire Africa? Hohoho fuck, Hitler would have been proud! Just think of the logistics! It would have been the greatest social undertaking of all time!

No, wait, that's plain stupid.

You may also want to do the math: http://www.biology.ewu.edu/aHerr/Genetics/Bio310/Pages/POPQUAN/popquan.html. You'll find that shifting allele frequencies in a large population is really hard, and takes many generations. More than whitey has been in Africa, for sure.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 5:56

>>1015

Oh ho ho ho...but that's just too bad it's the truth, isn't it? I'm only stating the facts, not trying to slur the opposition.  This isn't the first time I've brought this up and no one called "Godwin's Law". Even I was called a Nazi in this thread (albeit in a jocular manner)...yet no one shouted "Godwin's Law" then, so it's a straw man now.

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No, it's not a give in and that's what you simply refuse to admit. It's conjecture. Either you have proof that skin color/features and IQ tie-in genetically or you don't. Do you have that proof? If you don't, you have no argument.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 6:00

>>1029

I'll ignore the implied racism in that comment. Claiming that I have an interest in race is a character attack and a straw man. I've said numerous times I don't believe in race. But I guess you're going to continue with those types of statements no matter what...because you know your argument is weak as fuck.

If I was white, it'd be: "You hate your own race." But since I'm black it's: "You just want to protect blacks." - both are strawmen. Though I suppose it can't be helped- because when *you* do it- you not only have convinced yourself that it's the absolute truth but that it's relevant and refutes what I've been saying.

*Awaits your hand-waving excusal of your shitty debate tactics*

But it still begs the question, if you're not dedicated to race, then why not the co-relation between IQ and height/weight? How about vocal tone- that's genetic too right? I'mean sure, "environment has something to do with it, but it's clearly genetic", right? :D

There "doesn't seem to be a co-relation" doesn't fucking cut it because the reason for that is that a study was never done. It's either that or you're just flat out not looking for one. So tell me, why do you think that is? I mean why do you really think that is? Does the quest for truth really bring you here or were you looking for validation for beliefs you already hold?

>>1021

Um, no, skin color is race. Unless you know of a "white" man with "black" skin...? I'd be interested in what you consider "white" or what you consider "negroid". What is the genetic basis for the term other than "frequent alleles from a region known to populated by "negroids"". (Socially first, biologically second) 

>>1031

This refutes nothing. My point was that every black person if they were from Africa or not was swept up in the slave trade, even ethiopians who were semitic/arabic NOT negroid. You can't uproot the entirety of a race of people from their environment and place them in a culture where natural selection doesn't favor intellect and not expect there to be consequences.

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 7:18

haha my thread reached 1000 replies, am i cool yet?

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Name: Anonymous 2006-03-26 9:05

Um, no, skin color is race.

No, it's not. It's only part of it. I've met some remarkably dark Indians, dark enough to be called black, but they most certainly weren't what we normally label as blacks: negros. Likewise, and albino negro is still a negro.

I guess by putting an Asian under the sun we can magically transform them into another race? All those white girls who have tanned themselves deep brown are now Arab? Or what?

My point was that every black person if they were from Africa or not was swept up in the slave trade, even ethiopians who were semitic/arabic NOT negroid.

Wow, back to grand claims. Every, huh? And they managed to uproot every single person in Africa, huh? Sent them to space, then randomly dropped them in different locations on the same continent? Somehow this magically made them all a little dumber? Both in Africa and elsewhere?

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