In the fight against "TERROR" ...

is ignoring human rights and due process acceptable? How far can the line be pushed back?

Discuss.

It's always been like this you were just blindsided with hatred.

I don't hate anybody, I don't think I've even used the word "hate" on this board. What's your particular problem?

By the way you talk it's reasonable conclude you at least hate terrorists, muslims, liberals, etc. So what, not even them? Maybe there was some imposter John that I got confused for you.

Moo-slimes all need to be put down. They are all vermin from fucking hell.

>>41
No, no, he was blindsided by victim complex. No one was agreeing with him so only leftist scum exist.

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

I don't hold any one of those groups in high favor, no. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims, and liberals ... well, I'm sorry, but I just can't be too agreeable toward a group of people that have pretty much declared a war on idividualism... And hey, the definition of liberalism includes belief in "the essential goodness of the human race", so by definition they're a bunch of idiots as well. =3

>>45 >> "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
Ok, communists. I 'do' hate communists...

declared war on individualism? ... what? That deserves a new thread.

Yeah, maybe it does, but I've got enough threads already, don'cha think?

>>39
People like you would gladly capitulate to the terrorist's demands
No no no no! You've got me all wrong. I wouldn't torture people, and I wouldn't mass destroy a country full of people, but I wouldn't give in to terrorist demands because I don't consider these to be people. And either way, I'm not that stupid to do what terrorists say because that's like offering my ass and lube.

Not all muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are muslims, but they're pretty fucking related. Around muslims, never relax. And the world needs to relax.

Hay guys wut about american terrorists? lol

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>>52
What about em? Terrorists are terrorists. Keel 'em all. :B

i don't think anybody should die. terrorists included. death does not solve anything.

>>54
It sure didn't solve the Nazi problem in WWII, did it? *Rolls eyes* I guess Tookie Williams shouldn't have been executed the other night, either. Someone robs your store, blows half of your daughter's head off with a shot gun in front of your very eyes, then he kills both of you. How would you feel about that?
Well, on second thought, maybe death is too good for these people. I think they should die the same way their victims did. Make a special court just for death penalty cases (which is in the power of congress to do), so there's less of a wait time to be executed. Then make some sort of death machine and carry out the sentence within three months. That'll bring the murder rate down a ton, I guarantee it. :D

>>55

all people are humans, no matter how heinous the crimes they commit. committing a violent crime does not transform you into a demon or an animal. i don't think anyone deserves to be slaughtered like a dog who bit his master.
why are you so angry at criminals? i cannot even force myself to get angry at them - i just feel very, very sad for them. i can change the way i think, but i can't change the way i feel about these things.
oh, and in the situation you described, i would not feel anything, because i would be dead and rotting in the ground. all three of us would be - myself, my daughter, and the criminal. i really cannot comprehend how adding another grave solves all the problems and makes it a happy ending.

>>56
They were demon-animals before the committed the crime.  You are obviously a naive person who has never met a real sociopath.  They can't feel remorse or anything, all they know is how to satisfy their own needs.  It's hard to think there's anyone in there.  Those people are better off dead.

Not all criminals are sociopaths, mind you, but knowing one I feel a lot better about euthanizing them.

>>56
You suffer from OCCD: obessive compulsive compassion disorder. Your feelings won't lead you to justice nor resolve. The justice system and the electric chair will. Take the man who raped and murdered little 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford. Rapes her, makes her kneel with a little purple dolphin plush inside a trash bag, then buries her alive. What kind of punishment do you think that bastard John Couey should get, >56? I'd bury him alive myself if the judge would let me...

People who want to kill someone because he killed someone make me sick. They are just going down to the same level as the killer. It is disgusting.

>>59
Wanting to kill somebody out of justice for killing a little 9-year-old girl in the manner I described is the same level of evil as the evil committed by the original killer? I'd like to know how you'd deal out retribution for a crime of that sort... Hey yeah, I'm sure the guy felt a lot of remorse for his actions, maybe he should receive counseling. I've read he was a drug addict, maybe he should get tax-payer-funded rehab. Typical irrational compulsive compassion...

>>59
What would you recommend we do?  I agree that we shouldn't kill killers (just lock them up forever where they can get their asses pounded by sodomites), but not because I think killing them is a bad thing (it's money issues.)

I don't think that you suffer from OCCD, it's more of an inability to be flexible in thought...  Killing is ALWAYS wrong to you, even though the act may destroy something that would kill again. 

You have to understand that unlike most people, those who are able to do things like what >>58 described can best be said to be nothing more than the substance that makes up their bodies.  They see other people as objects, to be used, consumed, etc... and they don't understand why everyone thinks it's such a big deal when they torture and kill someone.  Those people need to be severed from the rest of humanity.

People who want to kill someone because he killed someone make me sick.

While I generally disagree with the death penalty, the motivation (perhaps instinct?) that many people have to kill those who kill others can be considered a self-correcting feature. We didn't always have a formal legal system.

He's a serial killer? *slit* Well, that's no longer a problem.

Oh yeah. Don't make up stupid terms, >>58. We have evidence for OCD, but OCCD is some bullshit politically-laden term you just made up as an insult. Good argumentation there, mate.

>>62
But I like my stupid term. =(

>>39

The tactics you describe are exactly the ones used by warlords throughout the ages. What is your freedom? Our freedom is more free than everyone else's, I see, because it stands under our flag?

People like YOU, sir, would gladly march into the enemy's guns and call it honor. You cover bury own fear in anger, and spread hate in a proliferation of destruction and ignorance. We do not just kill despots and terrorists. We kill women, children, and all those who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, just as our enemies do.

>>64

*You bury your own fear

Fixed.

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>>66
We don't do that retard. 

>>67
Are you saying that with a George Zimmerman guarantee? Or just shit pulled out your ass to make you feel better at night?

>>60-62
How about letting the law take care of the scum instead of bashing a possibly innocent man with hammer? I think that the legal system is much more reliable and accurate in punishing criminals than a random member of the society. I do not blindly trust the legal system but I do trust them more that the random person.

>>60
Retribution is bullshit from the legal standpoint.

>>61
You relishing the thought of the criminal being "pounded by sodomites" or killing him make me sick.

Killing is not always wrong to me but it is very high on the scale of wrong for me. Somehow, what the criminal in >>58 did and the proposed punishment is to me close on the scale. Maybe I just don't have an imagination.

I trust the legal system much more that I would trust you.

>>62
We do have a good legal system now.

It amazes me how sad nationalist fervor somehow translates out to a total lack of understanding.

How would *you* feel, if an outside country suddenly decided that OUR president was unfit to run the country and a risk to the free world? How would you feel if certain people in our country were deemed terrorist and the solution was killing rought 30 innocents for everyone 1 terrorist?

What would you do if your brother, mother, son, best friend was one of these innocents slain?

Don't give me your rebuttal about WHY this HAS to happen...just tell me straight up and honestly how you would feel. You've got no job, there barely any propects and some invader killed accidently wiped out your family. Would you REALISTICALLY accept it and move on?

All I'm saying is that if we reacted to 9/11 with violence, then  why is wrong for anyone else to react to our daily infringement upon the third world with that same violence?

ANSWER ME

>>69
We do have a good legal system now.

Our system is so/so. It sorta kinda does something, ya know? There are all kinds of problems with the system otherwise. Anyone who has dealt with the judicial branch knows it has some major shortcomings.

Having said that, I agree with your sentiment. I'm just pointing out that the instinct once served a purpose, and you can be certain it will again. In some areas of the world, it still does.

>>70
Well said.

>>70
Shit happens.  I don't start bombing a train company when my family gets wiped out in a subway accident. 

>>73
So you do nothing. Pathetic.

>>74
Depends on if there's any gain for me to do something.

You gain some sense of justice/satisfaction... maybe, but the issue here is not a train company, it's an invader. The invader shouldn't be there. This isn't shit just happening. Because the invader is there the chances of the accidental annihilation of family has skyrocketed. You've lost everything, nothing to lose. So there's got to be something to gain.

Exactly. A train accident is just that- an accident. The train company didn't set-up shop there totally unsolicited by the community or local government.

You fail at analogies, just like you fail at sucking cock. This is why your daddy pulls it out all the time and gives it your little sister.

>>67
"We don't do that retard."

O RLY?

President George W Bush yesterday admitted that he personally authorised a secret spying programme on American soil and vowed to go on approving such operations.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1669942,00.html

>>78
Hell, I'm a libertarian and I don't think that's a bad idea.

>>77
You don't know what it means to lose everything, just like you don't know what it means to fail at sucking cock. How's that analogy?