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Envisioning a Third Party.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 13:28

America Needs A Third Party.  Things Will Change Within Thirty Years.  Everybody IS fed up, and things WILL change for the better with moderate effort.  Forgive me my American pragmatism.

Republicans have ceased to be conservative, and democrats have all but ceased to be relevant. (the latter point may be a bit charitable on my part.)  From the disparate elements of Green hippieism and Reform nutjobbery must be formed a new, principled, big-tent party.  What should it look like and what should its goals be?

-it cannot focus simply on President.  A party of many principled individuals must make it clear to the American people what they will do, and more importantly, what they will not do.  Only a presence (even a minor one, of a dozen seats) and a good record for the party within congress can make a Ventura-style third-party wedge possible in a presidential race.

platform possibilities:

-excruciating honesty, and accountability.  set a party precedent for statements of the following form.  "my function is to be a public servant.  I work for your interests.  Things change, and it probably will not be possible for me to accomplish everything that I would like to.  However, my top priorities are x, y, and z.  Apart from constructive work, however, there are core principles which I will never violate.  If I am found to have violated any of these (commit a felony, take money from lobbyists of any kind, vote against a certain, well-defined party value), I promise not to run for a future term.  I am accountable for this statement."  not everybody within the new party should have to make statements of this kind according to a certain program.  but a precedent for it should be strongly encouraged.  In particular, those who make the actual promises (which eschew rhetoric and deal in factual language) should be accountable by them.  Establish a record of accountibility (even a good record of a handful of people over 3-4 years is incredibly significant) and contrast this with the private dealings of older congresspersons.  If someone in the party fucks up, formally distance yourself from them (not total alienation) for reasons of principle and run a new guy.

-research.  construct a description of the whole of the government, its agencies, functions, realized tasks and FAILURES.  Make it highly visible to the American people.  Following this factual account, is the party's subjective analysis.  Expand upon this in various spaces and in other articles, right down to our protectorates, and our state governments.  The point of this is to build up a reputation for disseminating SPECIFIC details of government which is not necessarily politically convenient, and replying with a course of action which IS admittedly political.

-responsible taxation and general accountability for money sources.  This means that we can summarize the nature of our GDP, foreign policy (both governmental and domestic NGOs) going out, and money coming in (public and private, as much as possible).  Assess the nature of the debt, what really has to be paid back.

-rescue the environment from being a non-issue.  A more feasible course would be incentives for two or fewer children (this ought to be suggested once the party's in power, since it would most likely be election death, a reprehensible circumstance) and lowered consumption.  Technology is our best hope for environmental improvement, at this point: we love to adapt it, and everyone who's relevant is hopelessly addicted to it.  It'll be a cool problem for us.

-assess the uncomfortable problems of the long view (not feasible until the party is respected within congress).  Why are we taking so many goddamn pills?  When will the antibiotics become ineffective?  Who is infecting whom with what?  Which problems require legislation?

-military: this would be the best place to be the most maudlin and cloying.  run like minded ex-military candidates who want to get into politics.  Profess (and prove via legislation) a fervent love for the troops.  Flag waving is definitely the most socially acceptable in this context.  Run intelligent people who can be believable as flag-wavers when necessary.

-education, law-grapple with unions, no detail yet.

-social security, medicare, aging programs: assess factually and evaluate. (no stance yet)

-youth vote: become something that the minority of young people who vote will actually vote for.  demonstrate to them that their vote will actually matter by getting matching funds in races.

-somewhere in here, we have to make some kind of concession to social conservatism in order to win elections.  Dunno what it could/should be, though.

none of this means that the third party should be a monolithic bloc vote.  But it SHOULD profess a number of core values to which its elected officials will conform in the right context.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 13:33

more:

the character that candidates should profess should include the primacy of their 'public servant' role.  Private sector millionaires with long-standing vested interests are discouraged.  trust-busting and watchdogging (for the executive branch) can be revived along the lines of catching criminal activity, not along the lines of capitalism-evil.  America likes a mensch.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 13:34

why not dump parties altogether?  when you vote for a party candidate, you're pretty much stuck with a package deal -- you get everything they support, or you get none of it.  independant candidates should be promoted, because only they have the actual power to tailor their platform to their demographic.

vote for the person, not for the party.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 13:52

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 13:53

>>3

you Just Plain Need something bigger in order to acheive.  You can't get a president until you have respectable congresspersons.  The point is not the aesthetic cool of the individual, but to actually effect change.  The problem is the nature of electoral politics, conflated with the current state of technology.  Individuals don't stand a chance against the organizational logics of dems and 'pubs.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 0:52

There is a third party. LIBERTARIAN FTW! @o@;

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 2:50

tl;dr

I think your first goal should be brevity.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 3:23

>>6
Libertarian is for greedy kids.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 11:46

>>8
OMG nobody should have money!

>>1
You're a bit...  overly optomistic poster.  The whole thing about honesty will never happen; whenever any group of people gets into power, they will start lying, for themselves and each other.  It's the only way to hold on to their power once they get it.  And VALUES?  That doesn't work in polotics.  A politician may make you believe he has core values, he may even believe it himself, but in reality, when it comes right down to it, the only reason he was able to make it in politics is because he's a superior convincer AKA liar. 

It's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get what you want done, so the next best thing is to be able to live a normal life without too much interference from them.  The best way to do this is to keep the politicians pitted against one another, and against corporations, special interests, and all other large groups of people (whatever you think, a libertarian party would be extremely anti-corporation once some of the things they wanted to do without current government regualtions took effect).

I'm not against a third party, such as the libertarians.  Our current parties have gotten old and stagnant, they both favor big government, so we need change to restore balance as it were.  That's what I think that the libertarian party (for example) would accomplish.

You can't rely on any big group of like-minded people to run your life, you simply can't trust them.  That's why our system, though extremely wasteful and incompetently run, is superior to all others.

Name: CCFreak2K !mgsA1X/tJA 2005-10-17 12:18

There ARE parties other than Republican and Democrat, but most of them keep ranting somethin about turning the entire continent into cheese.  If you voted for them, you might just as well eat your ballot.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 15:23

>>10
Not really... I'd think it more of a waste to vote for a major party candidate.  I think of my vote as a way to bring attention and give credibility for a third party, and in that respect it has more impact than voting for republican or democrat.


I don't know why fuckheaded stupid people still buy into this shit about wasting their vote.  Or do they just want the honor of saying they voted for the winning side?  Since when does anyone congratuate you on voting for the winner?  WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU GAIN?

Name: tykt 2005-10-17 19:29

>>11
There really isn't any third party that normal people would want to vote for. Green party is environmentalist, libertarian party is--well normal people won't vote for them, then there is the marijuana,communist and nazi party.

Name: CCFreak2K !mgsA1X/tJA 2005-10-17 19:55

>>11
What I'm saying is, those people never win (at least, not these days).  At least with the Republican and Democrat parties, one of those two wins.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 19:59

OMG nobody should have money!

more liek noone should pay taxes cuz private is always best amirite?

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 21:37

>>14
Usually lol

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