Why iraq's people kill soldiers

U.S. and U.K. release iraq's people from suppression.
But iraq's people kill soldiers of U.S. and U.K.
Why?
 
Please teach...

>>40

Vae victis.

>>37

Because giving islamic extremists a valid reason to hate the US is a surefire way to end terrorism.

To Islamic extremists, the fact that someone else is not an Islamic extremist is "a valid reason to hate."  What "valid reason" did Nigeria's animists give to the Islamofascists for carrying out their ongoing Final Solution?  What "valid reason" have the Hindus in Kashmir given the Islamofascists for attempting to exterminate them?

Islam is a terrorist ideology.  Sooner or later the civilized world is going to have to accept this, and deal with the problem--at scale.  The die is cast.  The conclusion is foregone.  The last remaining question question is whether the West is going to allow the problem to fester until the Islamofascists use weapons of mass destruction against Western cities before we take off the kid gloves and get serious.

Islam is a Bronze Age meme and it's a losing hand to play in the 21st Century.  A few of the brighter diaperheads have figured this out, but none of their people are listening to them.  A war of box cutters versus nuclear weapons looms on the horizon.  Anyone want to place any bets on how long it'll be before Mecca and Medina are radioactive craters?

>All religions are terrorist ideologies.

Fixed.

Name five people killed in the last hundred years by Christian or Hindu suicide bombers, and I'll accept that claim.

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the arabs feel left out

they were the height of culture in the 8th century, the most enlightened and scientific, they invented our numerical system remember

they took a drastic turn towards fundamentalism once they were "exposed" to competing cultures and world views

its a shame really, they had some great minds... who knows what they could have accomplished had they remained progressive

dictatorial oil states passed down the family lines dont help either, this translates into a well-funded welfare state for the populace.. it breeds apathy and resentment

fundamentalist clerics have no problem finding people willing to die for their causes by this late stage

>>45

How many people each year are murdered because 'god' told someone to kill them?  Name one white supremist group who doesn't base their rhetoric even loosely upon the bible.

Now, if you had left out 'christian or' you would have not only negated an arugment, but given everyone a funny image of hinduists blowing themselves up with the powers of yoga.

>>48
...so, in other words, you can't name five?

Name one Palestinian Christian suicide bomber who's killed people in Israel since 1970.  Just one will do.

Islam is a terrorist ideology.  It's not that Christianity isn't equally preposterous, it's that Islam is preposterous and dangerous.  Islam is the problem.  The sooner the West recognizes this, the better off we will be.

The Prophet Muhammad said, 'Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people,' and he went on to mention priests, nuns and rabbis, pretty radical thinking for a "Bronze Age meme" wouldn't you agree?

The problem is not with Islam as a faith but with the perception of Islam it in the West and the interpretation of it in the Middle East. It is, ironically, differing consequences of the same problem, namely ignorance.
Our brave anonymous bigot is obviously a victim of this, i noticed none of your posts have contained quotes from the actual Koran, he is simply relying on propaganda and pseudo-intellectual analysis of dry, unrepresentative statistics and issues far too complex to lend themselves to such characterless and meaningless number crunching.

The preposterous challenge of finding a Palestinian Christian suicide bomber inside a state with only a tiny Christian majority is indicative of both the posters ignorance of Islam and the world as a whole and the child of a tiny mind.
So as an equally ridiculous counter challenge i challenge you to name an American Muslim suicide bomber.

The bombings and attacks in Israel could easily be compared to the Christian/Muslim riots in India, Indonesia or half a dozen more religious hot spots around the world, especially Africa. These acts are instigated by both Christians and Muslims, example of these crimes include a riot in which a family of five, including young children was burnt to death in their car by a Christian mob and the LRA or Lords resistance army which is known for their systematic rape and kidnap of children in the name of Jesus.

Personally i'm an atheist and i love nothing more than seeing various religious parties smacking the shit out of one another over something as childish as whose god is best while making bigots of themselves in the process, but one thing i hate is ignorance, and this topic tends to reek of it.

islam is fairly rigid, even from an impartial reading of the koran

but the particular fundamentalist sects that interpret the koran to their liking and make up insane rules are the danger

the wahab sect from saudi arabia is actually the most anti-"other"(western) than even the shiites in iraq

wahabis are well funded and connected, they setup school around the islamic world in which they teach wahabi interpertations of islam, this indoctrinates/brainwashes the various local populations with wahabism and radicalizes them

then there is the element of 'king of the hill' america is still the largest superpower in the world, naturally everyone hates the one on top

if i wasnt american, i'd probably hate america... for the simple fact that i would not be amiercan. psyhchologically it is related to envy, technically they argue we have the most responsibility.. so if we dont use our power wisely(ie exactly how they want) we are irrationally evil and probably out to get them next

but they are the irrational, this middle east thing was going to happen sooner or later.. not only did american funds prop up the last remaining dictatorships on earth but also german, russian, french funds

watch iran carefully, their oil exports to china are very large

this could be the real world war 3, an absolute resource war between consumers(america china) vs. producers (iraq iran north africa)
no nukes will fly probably, just some conventional wars by proxy... and the usual economic/political maneuverings like goes on with us-eu policy

but thats for later.. for now china is best friends economically, china is buying us debt with their slave labor profits to cement their footing in the world, and the us really uses that credit card

america makes 11 trillion a year, each year there is another 11trillion... they assume they can outspend by a trillion or so, just make up the balance later... but china gets the interest hoho

Ignorance, you say?

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Sura 9:73)

"Those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil. So fight ye against the friends of Satan." (Sura 4:76)

"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." (Sura 9:5)

Islam is a genocidal ideology, no better than Nazism, and equally at war with Western civilization.

>>52
JIHAD ON WALLMART!!! ALLALALALLALALALALLALALALAL

>>45
>>49
christianity never needed suicide bombers ever since Rome adopted it

>>1

Because it's fun.

DEY HETS US CUZ WE IZ FREE

>>52, read the bible some day.

Yes ignorance, any monkey can lift select passeges from Religious dogma and use them with out their context to support and justify their predudices.
This contradictory ignorance, that being the concept that someone thinks themselves more intellegent because they can use one of the many internet quote searches an use them to decry a subject is used against everything from Islam to homosexuality.

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst."   (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

  "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.  But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby.  "As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them.  You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you.  This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the LORD your God."      Deuteronomy 20:10-18 NLT

"During this period, Joshua destroyed all the descendants of Anak, who lived in the hill country of Hebron, Debir, Anab, and the entire hill country of Judah and Israel.  He killed them all and completely destroyed their towns.  Not one was left in all the land of Israel, though some still remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod.  So Joshua took control of the entire land, just as the LORD had instructed Moses.  He gave it to the people of Israel as their special possession, dividing the land among the tribes.  So the land finally had rest from war."   (Joshua 11:21-23 NLT)

"In that day those the LORD has slaughtered will fill the earth from one end to the other.  No one will mourn for them or gather up their bodies to bury them.  They will be scattered like dung on the ground."   (Jeremiah 25:33 NLT)

O my G0dzz! teh bible is EEEEEVAL!!!

Ah, but the difference is that European Christianity went through the Reformation and then the Renaissance, and had most of the worst of the stupidity beaten out of it, at least to the point where it's mostly no longer displayed in public.

The Arab world, on the other hand, is still mostly stuck in the Iron Age.  And no, I do not view the acts of groups like Al-Qaeda as isolated incidents carried out by a tiny handful of malcontents, not when every time they do this, five hundred million Moslems burn American flags and dance in the streets from Casablanca to Cairo to Tehran to Lahore to Jakarta--if that isn't a declaration of war, what is it?  In any case, there is no Reformation or Renaissance on the horizon for them, and I think it is far too late.  As I said, the die is cast, and sooner or later the world is going to see an object lesson on the unwisdom of provoking a nuclear superpower.  The only question remaining is whether it's going to happen before the Iranians get the bomb and finish Osama's attempt to destroy New York City, or afterwards.  Either way, I have no pity left for inbred IQ-80 Iron Age throwbacks who aren't content to keep their disgusting backward ways to themselves.  They are cavemen with AK-47s, and they have no right to whine when the rules of engagement they so enthusiastically chose are used against them.

They have sown the wind, and they will reap the whirlwind.

How can you be so juvenile as to label and generalize an entire race of people?

Your arrogance is quite astounding, are you an American per chance?

Do you realise just how much medaling America and the west has done in the Middle East?
America has fought two wars in four years, both against enemies armed and used to fight America's own enemies in the past, that says alot and of course going into Iran would be no exception, apart from they were armed in a seriously dodgy deal via the CIA.
America is and has always been the aggressor in the Middle East, its medaling in the affairs of other nations around the world has resulted in the recent upsurge of hatred, to put it plainly it is totally the fault of successive administrations that the world trade center was destroyed.

As for reaping the whirlwind, American is isolated and over stretched, it is drowning in debt and has a permanent underclass with facilities including healthcare and welfare far worse for the poorest citizen in America than those of many Arab countries, including Libya, which has a lower infant mortality rate than downtown Detroit.

Finally Christianity was dragged kicking and screaming through the major advancements in science throughout history from Darwinism to the heliocentric theory, it is no coincidence that to this day while only eight percent of the population of the world are atheists ninety percent of scientists consider themselves to be atheists or agnostics so stop clinging to this false notion of Christian superiority.

>>58
your statement evidences a truly misguided premise, the vast majority of muslims are just normal people who want better for their families and wish no one harm

but your conclusion is pretty much accurate, the fundamentalist radicals must all be killed in the same way they kill. there is no reasoning with a die hard radical _of any faith_. if their goal is to destroy you, you must destroy them first. the light at the end of the tunnel is that fundamentalism is learned.. the first fresh generation of muslims, educted properly in the secular realm, will appreciate their freedom just like anyone else..

>>59
OHNO AMERICANS!!!!!!
its ok, dont be scared...
and america hasn't been the only one meddling in the middle east , military action aside.. this whole thing is about the viability of switching oil from dollar to euro denomination, watch the currency markets carefully

there is a subtext of economic war in all middle eastern affairs.. in which the germans/frech(eu) have as active and as "meddling" a part as the other superpowers do(russia china usa)

>>59  Libya, which has a lower infant mortality rate than downtown Detroit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Sure it does.  Comrade Qaddafi's Ministry of Truth says so.

>>60
"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about how hard it is, he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The Cause."

>>62
i am not afraid

Awww... You Americans bless ya, i'm sure you don't like being generalized do you? Then perhaps we should all stop using generalization about the Middle East.

And so says the the world health organization 61, not that you know what that is.

It is true that The Europeans have been interfering in the Middle East since Britain’s aid to the Ottoman Empire, this interference intensified further at the turn of the century, but then died down after the Second World War, but of course this is all history.
However America still fuel virtually all terrorist acts in the Arab world by their unilateral support for Israel and the less than enlightened Saudis, not to mention the billion dollars worth of arms they supply each year.

Ah, yes.  Blame Israel.  The US should reward terrorists by abandoning our only ally in the Middle East, and one of only five or six allies this country has had since World War II that are more than just dead weight, to people whose stated intent is to "drive the Jews into the sea," i.e., total extermination, to the last man, woman, and child.

Reward terrorists and you guarantee that it will never, ever, ever stop.  Show terrorists that they can get what they want by killing Americans and you guarantee that no American will ever be safe, anywhere on Earth, again.

Islam is a terrorist ideology.

And yes, Christianity is as preposterous and ridiculous as Islam, but no Popes have called for the total extermination of all non-Christians lately.  The difference between Christianity and Islam is the difference between influenza and ebola.  Both are unpleasant and debilitating, but one is lethal.

>>65
Lessons in history please. They weren't always like that.

Israel is a spark-point, and the problem does not seem to be going away. And why do you think the Arabs hate the US? Hey, they could all be our allies! Whee! Who woulda thunk?

I don't begrudge Israel the right to exist, but neither side in the conflict over there is helping. Perhaps letting themselves jihad and nuke themselves to death would spare the rest of us pain. They'll have to learn how to live in peace.

>>66
They've been like that since the Eighth Century.  They're still pissed off that the Spanish dared to throw off the Moslem yoke and reconquer their lands five centuries ago.  They're still outraged that Charles the Hammer defeated their invading armies at Tours in 711 AD.

They have never stopped hating us, and will never stop hating us.  There is no point in trying to appease people who think that refusing to cut off your eight-year-old daughter's clitoris with a broken Coca-Cola bottle and sew up her vagina with an old shoelace is blasphemy.

>>67
Hahaha. Nice try.

>>68
I'm glad you find clitoridectomies and infibulation to be amusing.

>>69
On the contrary. Your vibrant and inspiring hyperbole, masterful google skills, excellent displacement, and brilliant false dichotomies will be forever remembered. Encore I say!

>>70
Your surrender is noted.

Neener, neener.

Now stop bumping this shit already.

Request denied.  As Dubya says, bring it on.

I never knew Dubya was in the WWF.

>>73
Its easier to troll when you're not obivously trolling ya know.

>>50
The Middle East has historically been predominately Muslem, with about %20 religous minorities.  Why should that be different in the Holy Land?  If it's all about displaced land, then yes, some Christians should be blowning people to wherever as well.

Islam has something to do with it.  You can't bring up the "Christians Were Bad Too" card because this is the precent, and they aren't bombing people for God like they are.

>>59
Doctors are typically theists to some extent, and they deal with life and death on a regular basis.

Now Saddam(Nasser-wannabe), yeah we supported him by giving him satellite picture, but it Russia was selling him and Iran the weapons.  That and everyone but Syria was against Iran, so what, isn't the US supposed to be Middle East friendly?

>>76
iran-contra was a war by proxy between superpowers.... russia only supplied one of the sides, the other side was america's proxy

similar to how vietnam was a proxy war, and again in afghanistan in the 80s(russia's "vietnam")

iraq is not a proxy war directly, though the eu and china are now closely watching their middle eastern oil assets(they are inadvertently on the other side of the proxy war model as a result of a superpower vacuum... it is no longer bi-polar as with the "cold" war ie. post-wwii/pre-911)

any time large scale wars are on... all superpowers have some level of interest in the re-shuffling of assets, eu(germany/france) china japan russia currently

My dad, who has actually been over in Iraq this last year, told me most of the people are glad to have us. The people who are still fighting are people who hate us and love Saddam. If Iraq becomes a democracy, they will lose their power. Therefore, they try to kill us.

>>78

your dad is a retard who believes what the DoD tells him to. Muslims, especially the arabs, all hate america. Even the muslims living in america just want the wealth, but hate the "decadence" and lack of oppression of other faiths and women.

Its totally a backwards muslim world vs. modern west issue in iraq.

>>79
the radical religious muslims do mostly hate the west, but secularized muslims just want better for their families and mean no one any harm... like any other secular people

i'm white, 3rd generation american.. my grandfather came over from germany in like 1895..
i hate the "decadence" of america too. it desensitizes everything. everything. its a function of shameless massmedia whoring blasting psychologically focus-group tested advertisements in your face non. stop.
each year getting cheaper and sluttier... its abjectly revolting by anyone's standards

americas problem is it commoditizes everything, sex = $$$, hamburgers = $$$, anniversary rings = $$$, laundry detergent = $$$

eventually you get sick of all the whoring. but i still love the freedom... and the opportunity, so whatever

wouldnt trade my american passport for anything...  the hate from secular non-americans is mostly resentment based on envy
the hate from radical religious muslims is just insane jihad... so we gotta kill them before they kill us, no reasoning with that kind of hate, just have to educate their kids properly the next time around