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Copypasta: China/Western Imbalance

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-02-26 21:52

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American people living in America while criticizing America = ALLOWED
Chinese people living in America while criticizing America = ALLOWED
American people living in America while criticizing China = ALLOWED
Chinese people living in America while criticizing China = ALLOWED

Chinese people living in China while criticizing America = ALLOWED
Chinese people living in China while criticizing China = Any references (particular comments which criticize the Chinese government or government related issues) to this on the internet are deleted, on the media are blocked from appearing, any protests are shut down, and anyone who persists with criticizing the Chinese government are arrested, "re-educated", branded a traitor/Anti-China by other chinese people, and in the worst case scenario, dissidents are tortured and executed quietly.
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Arguing with chinese nationalists all the day, I find myself repeating myself. And the reason I repeat myself is because they love to ignore the above message because it is convenient for them to do so. I call it the "The Imbalance of China vs Western World Views" and it should be obvious why.

So I'm offering you my copypasta, you'll need it in the future.

1) For the most part, is the message correct?
2) Anyone want to photoshop the above, maybe add graphics like big green tick, big green tick.. big red cross?
3) Instead of words, maybe you can even use images to communicated the message.

If you do a good job, I'll post it on my blog and credit you (if you want to be creditted)

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-26 23:46

ISM's Brief Overview Of 4chan (A Guide For Trolls)

TD: Thread Deletion
B: Ban

/a/
A decent board with relatively enthusiastic posters. But mods lean more towards strict than lenient.
-TD: Occurs a little more often than not. Thread will not last more than 12 hours.
-B: Occasionally bans can happen but not too often.

/g/
Sometimes a hit, sometimes a miss. Possibly depends on time of day and which janitors/mods are online. Users are good-natured and provide lulz while also being of decent intelligence and so provides discussion.
-TD: Occurs pretty frequently, about the same as /a/
-B: Same rate as /a/

/k/
As expected from from a community of gun-owners, this board is more aggressive but like /g/, more likely to make serious posts (of a political nature)
-TD: High frequency. Thread will last one hour at most.
-B: Have not encountered any bans here.

/t/
Pretty shit ghost-town board, partly due to the strict rules dictating what kind of material can be posted.
-TD: Mid-to-High frequency
-B: If your threads get deleted enough, then a ban will be issued.

/v/
A bit like /b/ in terms of material but since this board is about video games, a significant population are underaged kids (a bad thing).
-TD: Medium frequency
-B: Have not encountered any bans here.

/ic/
Almost as bad a ghost-town as /t/. No evidence of janitors or mods here but the users are relatively boring.
-TD: Very-low to low frequency.
-B: No bans.

/r9k/
No evidence of janitors or mods, but the users are a mixed bag. Sage posters are particularly more frequent on this board than others. Stereotyped as liberal Obama-supporters and for the most part it is true. There can be engaging debate on controversial topics but there are also waste of space "I can't get a girl" posters. These two audiences never overlap.
-TD: Extremely rare but it can happen.
-B: No bans.

/jp/
Possibly the shittiest board on 4chan as well as a case of false advertizing (Japan/General). The mods are shit (and chinese), the thread topics are shit, and anything threads with subjects that are controversial is more likely than not to be deleted. Racism against Japan is allowed but racism against China is not. The "off-topic" justification cannot be used because there are many topics that involve both Japan and China.
-TD: On a good day, low. If you are online the same time as a janitor, then thread will be deleted within 1 minute.
-B: Low-to-mid chances of banning.

/sp/
The most braindead board on 4chan. No surprise given the subject, sports. Very low chances of providing any lulz. Any posts on the board are of any real substance.
-TD: moderate frequency
-B: Unsure

/tv/
Pretty boring board, mainly consisting of images and very little talk beyond 2 sentences.
-TD: moderate
-B: Low possibility

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-27 0:12

Hey any chinamens in here

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-02-28 10:11

INTRODUCTION

If you follow current news and events to any degree, you would no doubt have heard commentary on the country of China. Common comments include: "The Sleeping Dragon," "This Is The Chinese Century," "CHINA WILL GROW LARGER" etc...

If you used your brain to any degree, you would also realize that China has, in fact, been growing in influence, whether it's financially, economically, politically, culturally or socially.

And if you surfed the Internet to any degree, you would also realize the growing number of English-speaking Internet Chinese nationalists (living locally or foreign) whose job (voluntary or paid) is to talk up China's achievements and/or downplay China's flaws and more questionable actions. These individuals and/or groups are most commonly found on Internet message boards/forums, the comment section of China-related blogs, news portal sites and YouTube. You may even have engaged in debate and discussion with these people before.

"So what?" you ask. "They're no different from your typical Pro-American or Pro-British. And if we're talking about paid services, or even the Pro-Russians."

Well no, by itself, Internet Chinese nationalists aren't exactly noteworthy, no. But. And there's always a but.

But... in these heated Internet discussions, debates and arguments, there is an imbalance. I call this phenomenon "The Chinese Imbalance of Views Syndrome" (or CIVS).

THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE

In any debate, there would usually be two sides. In a more complex issue, there may even be a third or fourth side. Any good argument would involve a side offering well-reason arguments and the other side would respond directly to the argument with a hopefully, just as well-reasoned counter-argument. Inevitably, any side would make criticisms about the arguments from the other side. Criticism is good. As long as we are opened minded, criticisms allows us to look at the mistakes in our own faulty arguments. We would then revise our views until we come up with a more well-rounded argument in our continual search for truth and justice.

Freedom of speech and expression is therefore a powerful tool. When we use our civil right to freedom of speech and expression in the right way, we can point out the flaws and faults of our society, criticize those who make it happen or enable it to happen, and ultimately, improve the wellbeing of society. We can even use this right to criticize OTHER countries at the same time. And so we should. To solve problems, we must identify the problem. To make the problem known, we make it public by criticizing. Injustices and atrocities occur daily, whether it's in our hometown or the town of a country on the other side of the world.

Which brings me to the continual debate about China vs The Western World.

This debate is healthy for the international community because everyone has the right to freedom of speech to identify problems in their own nation and in other nations. Right?

THE IMBALANCE SYNDROME

American people living in America while criticizing America = ALLOWED
Chinese people living in America while criticizing America = ALLOWED
American people living in America while criticizing China = ALLOWED
Chinese people living in America while criticizing China = ALLOWED

Chinese/Non-Chinese people living in China while criticizing America = ALLOWED
Chinese/Non-Chinese people living in China while criticizing China = Heavily discouraged to the point of being illegal (if not illegal already, practically or literally)

-Any references (particularly negative comments which target the Chinese government or related issues) to this on the internet are deleted. The internet is also heavily censored http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_firewall and there is no anonymity.
-Any references in the media are blocked from appearing in the first place (The media industry is a monopoly and the Chinese government owns it)
-Anti-China protests are shut down quickly and forcibly, even peaceful non-violent ones.
-Actively criticizing China or the Chinese government may have negative social consequences. Like in other Asian societies, there is less focus on individualism (which America prefers) and more on collectivism ("The nail that sticks up must be hammered down"). So the critic may be "hammered down" metaphorically by his/her own community and be branded a traitor to China.
-Possible penalties for those who are seen as a threat to the Chinese government or its interests include being arrested, being "re-educated" or worse.
-Higher profile Chinese dissidents (people who challenge establishments like the Chinese government) are arrested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents. Worst case scenario, they are tortured and executed.
-Last but not least, the Chinese government can not be voted out. Alternative political parties are also illegal to form. This means government accountability and transparency is difficult to achieve.Along with the fact that criticizing China/Chinese government is heavily discouraged and the media , it means it is hard to make the government transparent or accountable.

THE SYMPTOMS

So what do I mean "The Chinese Imbalance of Views Syndrome"?

Simple. The combination of:

-censored Internet
-government-controlled media (with no alternative)
-government-controlled political system (with no alternative),
-the social outcasting and the arresting of the more active dissidents

means that Chinese people are born and raised with one certain view and the past, current and future factors in their lives means that alternative views are hard to come by. So in the end, they only have one view, because that is the only view the Chinese government wants them to have, and that's the view they'll ever have and since they're so set on that view, they assume it is the right one. What I'm trying to say is that they don't know if their view is right or wrong because they never had a chance to compare it with other, possibly opposing views. The factors above perpetuate the lack of opposing views. If they are lucky or skilled enough to find, consider and compare other opposing views, and even take the opposing view for him/herself, the factors above mean that they are heavily discouraged from having that view in public.

And that, my friends, is the imbalance that needs to be known, recognized and addressed.

To use an simplified extreme example, in America no-one is heavily discouraged from having a certain view. A person who has no view can, and I remind you this is a simplied and extreme example, consider the opinions of Bill O'Reilly and on the "other side", they can consider the opinions of Michael Moore. Based on what they learn, they can join a side. Or they can remain neutral and seek more information until they are convinced that there is a right side. A person who already has a view can do the same thing. This is freedom of speech and expression. Where people are free to make their opinions heard without fear of reprisal and where people are free to consider or ignore the opinion.

This is not the case with China. You can be anti-American, you can be anti-British, you can be anti-French, you can be anti-apples and anti-oranges. Just don't be anti-China/Chinese/Chinese Government.

This situation creates the imbalance and as long as this imbalance exists, then we can never have a fruitful debate with Chinese people.

FIGHT FOR THE TRUTH, BECAUSE THE TRUTH CAN'T FIGHT FOR THEMSELVES

What is the solution? I don't really have one. And even if I did, it would be too complicated to right here. However, to end this article, I will leave you with a quote:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

I assume you live in a relatively free country and that you have the access to freedom of speech and expression and you have the ability to give and receive opinions.

Consider those opinions and strengthen your arguments by ironing out the flaws in your continue search for truth and justice.

As for the internet Chinese nationalists, if you see one that makes an argument that has an obvious lie, mistruth, falsehood, hyperbole, distortion, deception, misrepresentation, falsehood, selective quoting or is misleading, then do something, not nothing. Point out the flaws and attack the argument.

Facts and truth are worth fighting for.

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-28 10:26

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-02 18:59

What happens if you're American,and you speak out against China while in China?

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-03 1:28

>>6
date rape by Chairman Mao

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-04-22 23:06

I can understand assholes: Everyone has them because it is part of our bodies and we need to defecate what we eat to survive.

I don't understand why everyone has opinions though. I understand even less why people think their opinion is RIGHT. Do people understand personal preferences and the definition of subjectivity?

For example, on an internet message board:

Forum Member A: Final Fantasy 7 is the best Final Fantasy game.
Forum Member B: No, Final Fantasy 6 is the best.
Forum Member C: Actually, FF10 is the best.
Forum Member D: I would rank them as FF7 > FF6 > FF10
Forum Member E: FF6 > FF7, fix'd.
Forum Member F: FF6 > Shit > FF7, fix'd even more.
Forum Member G: You're wrong, every game after FF6 sucks.
Forum Member H: I disagree, FF1 to FF3 and FF12 sucks.
Forum Member I: The only good FF games are FF4 and FF6.
Forum Member J: Actually, every Final Fantasy game sucks. Chrono Trigger FTW!
Forum Member K: Actually, every Square-Enix games sucks. Person 3 FTW!
Forum Member L: Actually, every J-RPG sucks. Baldur's Gate FTW!
Forum Member M: Actually, every RPG sucks.
*1,000 posts later...*
Invisible Sky Magician: ITT, opinions. /thread

Why do people think their opinions matter, especially on the internet? Is there a philosophical reason? Is there a scientific reason? Is there a social reason? Can evolutionary theory be used to explain this natural occurence? Is expressing our subjective opinion a method of gaining mates to reproduce and advance our race?

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:03

Well since you've decided to void your subjective value judgements in these little turds on my sidewalk this eve, I guess I will point out a few of the flaws.  First:  I assume you're an American.  News Flash Yank, you have Zero moral authority in matters of state sponsored torture and execution.

Regarding the other criticisms, I'm left wondering one thing.  Have you ever lived there?  Listen to this, 'cause it's the most important thing you will ever hear about China when it comes to comparing it to the USA.  There is Chinese culture, and there is the Chinese government, and the Chinese people learned long, long before a white man ever set foot on the American continents that they are two different things. The Chinese people will tolerate it's governments' bad behavior so long as it's serving it's purpose.  When that time comes to an end, so will the government.  The Chinese people are tolerating questionable behavior on the part of their government because things are getting better there every single day.  Let's contrast this with Mae Guo.  That's what the Chinese call the USA.  BTW, It means Beautiful Country.  The USA does NOT have a culture distinct from its government.  I'm not judging this, just stating it as fact.  It's made up of many cultures brought together by the law.  Hopefully the many strengths this imparts will outweigh the one gaping weakness: When the system starts to inevitably disintegrate, there's nothing to fall back on.   For at least eight years the US government has been acting in direct violation of it's own laws and ideals, up to and including election fraud.  And I'm not just talking about Bush/Gore.  Does the word gerrymandering ring a bell.  The fact is, the only shared value I see in the USA that I see real world results from is materialistic greed.  Freedom?  Oh yeah, no question that it has greater freedom of speech.  But don't confuse that with political freedom.  And don't think for an instant that US citizens have greater personal freedom than the Chinese.  In China one of the first things you learn is that they really understand Live and let Live.  If you mind your own business, you are left alone.  In the US somebody's always taking somebody to "Court" because of what they're doing in their bedroom or own back yard.
China vs. The West.  Fuck you.  It's you and people like you making it adversarial.  The Chinese have embraced western philosophies, science, and art.  What do you know of them.  It's like a Brilliant teacher fighting with a brilliant former student out of insecurity and fear of displacement.  There's no more time left for that.  We must join together now, or all will be lost.
Copypasta that.

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:05

Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuthing ta fuck wit
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuthing ta fuck wit
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuthing ta fuck wit

There's no place to hide once I step inside the room
Dr. Doom, prepare for the boom
BAM! Aw, MAN! I SLAM
JAM, that's freedom like Tarzan

Name: !MILKRIBS4k 2009-04-23 1:11

ISM is a retard. Who the fuck cares about japan srsly

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:15

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Name: !MILKRIBS4k 2009-04-23 1:15

Biggest facepalm of my LIFE.....EVER

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:17

Now I'll leave you with a story to illustrate my point.  I used to live in a small town in northern China at the end of a toll road that the Central Government had built some years before.  They had given the same line that the US and state governments use, that being: when the road is paid for, we'll stop collecting tolls.  Just like in the US, that time came and went and the toll booths remained.  The locals complained and complained but the booths remained, so one night several hundred folks got together, took some heavy equipment, asked the toll collectors politely to exit the booths, and then ripped them out of the road.  Then they all went home.  The PLA was on alert and present, but did nothing.  Though the booths were never put back up, I will say that as yet, they still haven't fixed the road, so you still have to drive carefully through where the booths were. 
Tell me.  What would happen in the USA if something similar was attempted.  I'll tell you.  People would die.  People would be called "terrorists".  People would go to prison. 
And the next time you yap about Tienanmen Square, think about the fact that it happened less than a generation after Kent State.

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:21

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Haven't had much of a life then, 'eh?

Name: !MILKRIBS4k 2009-04-23 1:23

I used to live in a small town in northern China

GTFO, CHINK!

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:25

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Seriously, get some help.  Do you have that Asperger's or some shit like that?  Is your head so empty that an outburst like that is the only way you can communicate?  Are you 12 years old?
Did Step Daddy put his pee pee in your poo poo?  Grow the fuck up.

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:28

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Nope, American there to study Kung Fu.  Eat your heart out.

Name: !MILKRIBS4k 2009-04-23 1:32

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Chink lover. GTFO!

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:33

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Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:34

Yeah, that'd be a big "Make Me"

Name: !MILKRIBS4k 2009-04-23 1:40

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Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 1:50

cliffs:

-man use communist computure with communist sotfware
-man get owned like Leroy in New Orleans 1860-style
-no profit for man, all profit for communist developer

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 4:23

sage out spam

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 4:24

sage

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-23 11:43

/g/
decent intelligence

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-04-24 7:46

According to my discussions with the average American, they say that America stands for freedom and our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are morally just: We are bring peace and democracy to the people.

China has no democracy. Absolutely zilch. It's not even a pretend democracy. There's just one dictator: the Chinese Communist Party.

And China is a violator of many human rights. Throughout history till today, it's one human rights violation after another.

Iran is a saint when compared to China.

So why hasn't America and the coalition of the willing invaded China yet?

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-04-24 7:47

As a civil libertarian from the Ron Paul school of though, I am in conflict on this issue.

Should freedom of speech be given to those whose aim is to shut down freedom of speech? Allow me to illustrate a few examples:

A religionist. A religionist is a person who subscribes to a religion whether that is Christianity or Islam.

Let's say we give freedom of speech to that religionist. That religionist becomes the leader of the country. What will he do? He will make criticism against religions illegal and he will enforce subjective morals based on his religion such as the killing of gay people and concentration camps for atheists.

By giving freedom of speech to someone who doesn't value freedom, civil liberty-wise, we are worse off.

Another example: A china/Chinese government supporter.

Let's say we give freedom of speech to the ChiCom and the ChiCom becomes the leader of the country. Will he do? He will make criticisms against the government illegal and he will do his best to shut down any kind of dissenting voice.

What is the solution to this conundrum?

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 10:03

"Chinese nationalists"? Those exists? I've seen guys directly hired by the government to appear at fake demonstrations and such, if that's what you're talking about, and I would advise against arguing with them as they'd probably report you. There can't possibly be anyone left in China who really is stupid enough to like the government (rednecks and trolls excluded).

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-04-24 11:57

The public is always complaining about companies when most problems could be easily solved if not for their lazy apatheticness.

The politicians are too scared to criticize the stupid retards (That's all of you), so I brought it upon myself to do the deed:

BAAAWWW, everything is made in China!
They are made in China because your peers want cheap shit. Stop fucking buying it and be prepared to pay higher prices if you want it locally made.

BAAAWWW, the interest rates are too high!
The monetary system is corrupt but I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you because you're sheep. I'll just suggest you stop being lazy and find another fucking bank and compare and negotiate rates.

BAAAWWW, grocery prices are too high!
Then find another grocery store. Too lazy to buy your stuff separately? Then you're paying for the convenience, faggot.

BAAAWWW, insurance premiums are too high!
They're too high because your peers (senior citizens, risk-taking young males etc) are fucking retards and always fuck shit up. Their stupidity comes at a cost to you. Stop breeding.

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 12:20

THE

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 12:20

FUCK

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 12:20

ON

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 12:21

THE

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 12:21

FUCK

Name: Anonymous 2009-04-24 12:21

ON

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-05-10 7:31

This is a very interesting contrast between white and Japanese culture.

In Japan, everyone loves cute cats. Cats are a popular part of culture (the clumsy but adorable cat in Sailor Moon) and in cosplay conventions, many girls dress like cats with cat ear costumes. This is not to say that they hate dogs, they like dogs too.

Now let\'s compare that with white culture. For example, America. Cats are portrayed in hollywood media as cunning, devious and plain evil. Dogs are portrayed as everyone\'s best friend, the main protaganist to save the day from the evil cats.

In real life, nobody likes cats either. Cat-haters cite reasons such as the cat\'s arrogance, coldness, and fondness of killing flora and fauna.

Pretty ironic considering these cat-haters are contributing to the destruction of wholesale life elsewhere (such as overfishing and the torture of animals in order to create fashion).

So what\'s the fundamental reasons for the cat-hating in white countries like America?

I think it\'s because white people are insecure, especially the men. White people, especially American men, have this irrational need to prove their masculinity by buying fast car and doing burnouts at 3AM, bashing up the nerds and shoving them inside gym locker rooms, and buying and owning massive 9000 pound fighting-dog breeds injected with steroids.

You know why?

BECOZ I\'M DA FUKKEN MAN! FUK CATS, CATS R 4 PUSSYS! FUK UR CAT, DOGZ ROOL!

Name: pork soda 2009-05-10 7:48

>>37
It's a religious issue that stems from the Christian Dark Ages. Cats were good at protecting food supplies from rodents, but only "witches" kept them as pets. Muhammed fe loved cats and if  a cat sat on his robe and it was time for prayer, he would undress himself carefully as to not disturb the cat's sleep!

Name: †Invisible Sky Magician† !!LqAKk0T5HxQMAa+ 2009-05-11 6:40

This Just In: Mainstream Media Are The World\'s Biggest Trolls

http://www.google.com/search?q=rape+game+forum

Mainstream Media Releases Old \"News\": Japanese hentai game \"RapeLay\" where you can fuck cartoon girls and abort their babies. It is a 3 year old game. Feminist group protests about it.

The whole world except Japan: 500+ comments in the news article comments section, 100+ pages on internet forum threads. To B& or not to B&? Is rape taking artistic expressions too far? IF YOU LIKE THIS GAME, THEN YOU ARE A RAPIST! What\'s next? Pedophile games?

Reality: RapeLay was only intended to be sold in Japan. Hentai industry business as usual. 9000th pedophile game is released in stores. Your 500+ comments and 100+ page forum threads were a waste of time. Your country has no lawful jurisdiction in Japan.

America continues complaining about cartoon rape while amazingly at the same time, continue killing innocent civilians (real life civilians mind you) in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Truly, the mainstream media are the world\'s biggest trolls.

Name: Anonymous 2009-05-11 7:07

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