American Public Schools Are Awful

I decided to quit school because I don't believe in ignorance, rudeness, dating, fornication, or the use of drugs. I also don't believe in grades being based on social and economic status, not knowledge and effort. Instead I decided to take a series of five General Educational Development (GED) Tests and I passed them with above average scores. I was awarded a High School Equivalency Diploma which certifies that I satisfactorily completed comprehensive tests selected by the Commissioner of Education for determining general educational achievement equivalent to high school graduation.

Studies have shown that most high school graduates when tested have failed the GED Tests. Ironically some of its critics who likely have never seen the test refer to it as, "too easy".

They should start training people for a trade in public school instead of this elitist higher education lie where all the wrong people are given all the wrong jobs. What relevance is it anyway if I go to school or not? If all you look at on a person are degrees then you really don't know what matters. Most people with degrees can't even do the professions that they studied in a university for 4 years any better than a 5th grader, if not worse. Yet they're the experts because they're "qualified".

College teaches you one thing how to trick and exploit poor people.

    This land is your land, this land is my land
    From the Redwood Forest to the New York Island
    The Canadian mountain to the Gulf Stream waters
    This land is made for you and me.

    As I go walking this ribbon of highway
    I see above me the endless skyway
    And all around me the wind keeps saying:
    This land is made for you and me.

    I roam and I ramble and I follow my footsteps
    Till I come to the sands of her mineral desert
    The mist is lifting and the voice is saying:
    This land is made for you and me.

    Where the wind is blowing I go a strolling
    The wheat field waving and the dust a rolling
    The fog is lifting and the wind is saying:
    This land is made for you and me.

    Nobody living can ever stop me
    As I go walking my freedom highway
    Nobody living can make me turn back
    This land is made for you and me.

    In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
    By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
    As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
    Is this land made for you and me?

    As I went walking, I saw a sign there;
    And on the sign there, It said, 'NO TRESPASSING.'
    But on the other side, It didn't say nothing.
    That side was made for you and me.

    This land is your land, it once was my land,
    Before I sold you Manhattan Island;
    You banished my nation, to the reservation,
    This land was stolen by you from me.

    This land is their land, it isn't our land,
    From the Wall Street office, to the Cadillac car-land;
    From the plush apartments, to the Hollywood starland,
    This land is not for you and me.

    If this is our land, You'd never know it,
    So take your bullshit, and kindly stow it,
    Let's get together, and overthrow it,
    Then this land will be for you and me.

There really is nothing nice about USA
You go to the hospital you have to pay
The dollar is the language that they all speak
they don't really bother about the radiation leak

>>3
Something is leaking alright but it ain't radiation. And something tells me you're the man to clean it up.

(Hint: its about 10 inches long and leaks a white sticky substance)

I propose, and I am not the first to propose, that we abolish high school.  School is for children.  No one should be in free school beyond year #9 if they know how to read, write, and do arithmetic and basic algebra, or are 18, whichever comes first.

After the school years, a person must apply to apprentice, apply to take precollege, take technical training, or work.

>>5
Hey, that's an excellent idea ... FOR A FASCIST REGIME.  Walk it off, Adolph.

>>6
What the hell, that proposal is LESS fascist than the current system

>>7
RedCram doesnt know what fascist mean, he thought you were talking about ejaculating on his face

America stresses attendance more than anything. They stress that students must not be tardy or truant more than just about anything. They don't care if the kid actually learns anything, just that he shows up. They don't care if he gets nothing but F's.

Throwing millions of dollars at the school system isn't going to fix it. The average teacher makes about $65,000 a year to my knowledge. That's not bad at all.

Forcing the children to go to school isn't going to fix it either.

Exactly, that's why I have decided that drop-out rates are not meaningful about what makes a good life or a good society.  Some kids need to drop out, and just make everyone at school miserable when they show up miserable.  We keep people in school for too many years.  Some numbnut head of NEA suggested mandatory school up to 21 years old, fucking stupid.  Abolish high school.

We need to start teaching the kids their lifetime trade in state funded elementary school. Keeping a kid in school until he's 21 isn't going to make him smarter if not a damn thing is being taught to him.

>>11
That's not practical, as I wouldn't want a 6 year old to operate welding equipment, and it doesn't take 9 years of school to start working at welding anyway.  Better to first ensure reading, writing, and arithmetic for the general public.  And not everyone will have a trade for a living.  In any case, abolish high school.

>>12

Public school doesn't even do that. PBS does a better job at ensuring reading, writing, and arithmetic for the general public.

>>1
I'm 27 years old and a virgin.

Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another, she paid it for a lime.
She put the lime in the coconut, and drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, and drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut,
Called the doctor, woke him up, and said,
“Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?”

“Now let me get this straight;
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
You put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
You put the lime in the coconut,
called your doctor, woke him up, and said,
‘Doctor, ain’t there nothing I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?’

You put the lime in the coconut, and drink them both down,
You put the lime in the cocount, you’re such a silly woman!
Put the lime in the coconut, and drink them both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning.”

>>12
Better to first ensure reading, writing, and arithmetic for the general public.
Well, the public schools are horribly failing at THAT little set of goals.  Those schools are dominated by unionized teachers and administrators who only care about their pay and benefits.  The solution here is obvious:  PRIVATIZE.

>>16
That's actually something I can agree with, wrinklecream.

>>16
I lurk around schools to pick up little boys to play with
Fixed

>>16
yeah, like a private company never fucked up.
Sometimes Adam Smith's invisible hand is just jacking you off.

And your other comment sounds like you heard it on the radio.

>>19
It's not an issue of the private sector being perfect, which I never claimed in the first place, assjack.  The problem is that the unionized public schools are impossible to fix by using the same public system.  Privatize them and use COMPETITION to try (note: T-R-Y) to get better results.

Stop suckin' off the teachers and administrators by proxy.  Their results are horrid.  Something must be done.  And that something is PRIVATIZATION.

>>19
It's not an issue of the private sector being perfect, which I never claimed in the first place, assjack.  The problem is that the unionized public schools are impossible to fix by using the same public system.  Privatize them and use COMPETITION to try (note: T-R-Y) to get better results.

Stop suckin' off the teachers and administrators by proxy.  Their results are horrid.  Something must be done.  And that something is PRIVATIZATION.


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>>9 America stresses attendance more than anything.
Wrong.  American public education stresses politically correct brainwashing above all else, even above its other holy of holies, hiding and denying the racial differences in intelligence.

>>21
Jackass, how the fuck does that change anything?  Unless you remove the accountability to the nation's people and make the whole thing voluntary from year 1, private versus public doesn't mean jack shit.  It would just be the same old contracted out bullshit that governments do these days, paying $600 for a hammer.  Private businesses don't necessarily have ununionized work forces either, and ununionized isn't necessarily desirable if you want to maintain the idea of a middle class in the long term.  Anyway the managers are not even unionized, but that's were fat always is at, private or public.

>>22
LOL

>>23
Faglord, why are you responding to my words but to Anonymouse's link?  Public schooling, I assume?

At any rate, if you can't see a difference between a unionized system that resists all change, and a privatized system that uses COMPETITION to at least be cheaper, then there's no hope for you.  To wit:  You're a moron or a schoolteacher.

>>25
Competition how?  How does a neighborhood or a town support multiple competing schools with a limited population base?

Also you neglected to address how unionizing would necessarily not still be there, or how not having unions is desireable in a democracy.

>>25
And you actually just repeated what you said earlier, so I guess you have no idea either.

>>26
How many corporations are there in America, and how many of those can show up in any arbitrary population base?  You already know the answers:

1. Tens of thousands.
2. Almost all of them.

Corporation A can simply try to run the effort more cheaply than Corporation B, hence will tend to win the bid, hence will tend to keep the contract.

And Corporation C?  Yeh, that's the UNIONIZED PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM that does everything worse, slower and more expensive than any real business in America can.  It will ALWAYS lose in competitive bidding and by performance metrics.  They are free to bid.  Fuck, all the teachers from the previous public school system are entirely free to collect together a corporation free from the overloading of administrators and union reps, and they are perfectly free to compete with the other bidders.  They might actually WIN, since having the skills and experience (i.e. assets) without the union and administration (i.e. liabilities) would give them distinct competitive advantages ... leaving them only with the performance hurdle to overcome.

>>27
Unions serve no purpose in a competitive marketplace.  Find me ANY unions behind and competitive bidders.  Find me ONE.

>>28
I repeated it since you're pretending that it's not a possible (much less likely) solution.  The public schools suck ass.  That much cannot be denied.  But the solutions to fix them within the present framework of unionized labor obviously doesn't work.  That much should NOT be in contention, but it's precisely at that point that you union faglords continue to draw the line.  You're only protecting union pay and benefits, while the products (i.e. knowledgeable students) fail in the marketplace year after year.  Failing products must feedback into the production process, to change it for the better, or to shut down the production.  Anything else is a true travesty.

>>29
They aren't all in the same area trying to serve the same few hundred people, numbnuts.  Who the fuck would go to the expense of building the thing and running it with such dismal prospects?

Then you turn around and say that there aren't competing schools after all, just competing contracts to run the thing.  That's not private enterprise; that is merely contracting shit out, like they do with janitor services.

So at any given time, the contract winner has the monopoly, no competition after all.  Contract winner may or may not run the place well, contract winner may or may not decide that it can afford to continue to run the place half way through the contract.  What contingency is there for defaulting on the contract?  Will government departments of education get out of the business of managing districts and states?  Because upper management tends to be the driver of the bus regardless.  Better to give more power to principals to run things -- I have seen convincing stories about schools turning around in that manner.

>>30
You are talking about contracting out of government services.  Unions in general are not just in government services, but in the private sector also.  Surely you know why it was seen as better to allow freedom of association of the workers to have collective bargaining ability and the general stability that societies have when there is a sizable middle class as opposed to just plutarchs and proles.

Teachers don't make students, by the way.  The factory metaphor isn't so useful.  And I think your country has plenty of areas where the kids aren't all fuckups.  First you need to start with a group of kids that aren't shits, pricks, retarded, or crazy.  Then you have a chance.

Abolish high school.

>>31
Look, dickball, by your standards, corporations can't serve small towns.  Thousands do, and compete.  The same manner of action applies to educational organizations.  PERIOD.  You're trying to effectively deny the fucking sky is blue.  Give it up, faglord!

And given contract terms, a winner bidder still has to PERFORM.  It's like you don't fucking even SEE that word!  You're only proving that you're a teacher or administrator, or you're closely related to one.  The union mentality has thoroughly brainwashed your class of person.  You can't even CONCEIVE of being held responsible for the quality of the product (i.e. knowledgeable students) that you or your relative produce.

And lastly, giving principals more power does sound like a good idea, but again, that's still within the power elite of the unionized teachers and administrators.  The unions never allow principals to have that much power.  So it only stands to reason that the teacher/admin unions must be destroyed.  And how do you do that?  BY PRIVATIZING.  That's the only way to get rid of such a greatly entrenched entity like a union.  These principals that you so laud are perfectly free to apply for their previous jobs from the winning bidder.  So, your empower-principal solution can STILL be tried within the necessary context of PRIVATIZATION.

>>32
Contracted companies are overwhelmingly non-union.  I'm afraid you're not making much of any point whatsoever.  Privatization means non-union by default.  And after all, even if (say) GM comes up with a business unit that performs school operations as a contractor, I can guarantee you that the UAW will NOT be a part of that business unit.  After all, are unionized employees sitting in seats doing the work of Ford Motor Credit LLC?  Fuck no!

Teachers don't make students, by the way.  The factory metaphor isn't so useful.
The teachers and administrators are still responsible for the results.  If not, then they are hired to perform tasks that either cannot be measured, or whose failing metrics don't apply.  THAT'S LITERALLY INSANE THINKING.  It's insane to think that you can have a job that cannot be held responsible for the results of your work.

Remember, teacherfags:  You're supposed to be SMARTER than those students, for three reasons.  One, you're older; Two, you're an adult, and Three, you're educated.  If you can't figure out a way to teach students under a variety of conditions, then you shouldn't be a teacher in the first place.  Remember, you're RESPONSIBLE for results.

>>33
Corporations are not mandated to serve all children of a town and simultaneously have competitors also trying to serve all children of a town, competing for students.  This problem is moot, because you have redefined the privatizing as contracting out to a single corporation anyhow, rendering the competition of multiple schools problem non-existant.  So don't bother bringing it up now, since we agree it wouldn't make sense.

Just being in a union doesn't mean you can't be held to standards.  You need to meet standards to get the job in the first place.  Admittedly, in your country (I'm not of your wacky country where apparently a teacher union kills puppies), some areas have such a problem finding anyone wanting to work in a shitty situation that they hire anyone they can, union or not.

Just because you hire from the private sector doesn't mean no unions would be involved necessarily.  Maybe you can hire Mexicans to teach, I don't know.  Isn't that how it works nowadays?  Get rid of domestic labour because it isn't fun bargaining with people who have a right to organize.

No one should be a teacher in the first place.  No one should have to put up with creeps who 40 years ago would've been in a reform school for rape but today the girl has to have the fuckin' guy come in on day pass and the teachers weren't even tipped off about the sort of person they have.

And sometimes, you can't shine a turd.

When America teaches kids the Civil War all they say is "Abraham Lincoln and Harriet Tubman freed the slaves". I never heard the names John Wilkes Booth, Robert E. Lee, and Jefferson Davis until I did an independent study of the Civil War.

What exactly kind of academic knowledge does an average American high school student know that a 12 year old doesn't? Nothing.

Let me tell you something about unions, they don't give a crap about which workers are productive or qualified. They only care about seniority.

>>35 Mexicans would do a more quality job of teaching and for a lower price than most of these teachers.

bump

lolllll libertarians

>>12
Hahaha what the fuck. "Those schools are dominated by unionized teachers and administrators who only care about their pay and benefits.  The solution here is obvious:  PRIVATIZE." How the fuck do those two thoughts even go together. You mention that teachers only care about pay, then jump to the conclusion that schools should be privatized. The whole fucking point of privatizing anything is to make money off of it you fucking mong, privatizing public schools would only serve to make education ridiculously expensive and fatten the wallets of the careless teachers who are ruining it, it would just give the unions exactly what they want.

Anyway American public schools are shit generally because their standards are horribly low, for students and teachers, and they're just poorly regulated. European schools do so much better because they're under much more government scrutiny and teachers are held to much higher standards. And yeah teacher unions in America are fucking terrible and are the reason why teachers are constantly appeased and why schools are so much more about teachers and staff keeping their jobs than the students' education. European schools succeed because they ignore the teachers unions' BAWWWing and understand that the main focus of schools is the students and not the teachers.

AmeriKKKa creates problems then whines about them.

>>41
Google "competition" and get back with us when you don't sound like a fucking 12-yr-old.  PRIVATIZATION does NOT mean just handing the local and failing school system to a company run by one of the members of the Board of Education.  It does NOT mean using no-bid contracts and other winks and nudges in back rooms.  Privatization requires competition.  And note well that with unionized labor, there's ZERO competition going on.

You're so brainwashed by the public schools that you can't even see that.  In fact, your so-called arguments are prima facie evidence that the school system is failing and must be changed by any means, including wholesale closure.

>>43
Individual workers compete to gain employment in the first place.

And, once a company is granted a contract, it is the sole company available, with no competition.  And, private enterprise does not necessarily not have unions.  We went over this, for the sake of pete.

And you come across as if you have a rather raw anti-union bias, which frankly is unbecoming.

http://globalpioneering.com/wp02/category/education/ i blame the doctors and Ronald regean.

>>44
You can't fire a public school system.  However, using measurement-conditional contracts with private companies, you can.  I keep making this point to you, but in your ever-lovin' sucking off of unions, you refuse to acknowledge it.

If you somehow believe that a set of unionized companies will show up to bid to run a school system, then you're TRULY DELUSIONAL.

As for my bias, I hardly need to say anything beyond pointing out the wholesale failure of unionized labor's products and services.  Those EPIC FAILS speak for themselves.

>>1
you forget that school is meant to generalize education so more people can have it. if we specialize too much there will be far more uneducated people then we have now. if its not right for you then no problem but it is a necessary part of our woefully ignorant society.

dam, you giz. we tend to b a pretty smart bunch here. unfortunatley,  in my real life i deal with way 2 many average ordinary folk... and i must report that "average" is amazingly stupid,  so stupid in fact that its easy to forget exactly how stupid "average" truly is.

don kno how that falls inna debate, butt there ya r....

>>46
That's rather disruptive, firing the whole fuckin' system.  How much of that can we take for crying out loud.

Companies aren't ever unionized as such, it's employees that form unions.  Private does not mean immunity from law.

Your "wholesale failure" is exagerated.

The primary purpose for Education is not Subject matter, but subservience to accept any crap taught without opposing thought,
destroying opposite brain to be submissive android.

You're taught to be stupid.

Dr. Gene Ray, Cubic & Wisest Human

so...long story short your a nerd who didnt have any friends.