Souls and God

Now I haven't read much about logic or stuff so if someone could formulate my problem with a better language I'd be thrilled.
Let's say God is omniscient.
Because of his omniscience he will only act in one way, seeing how he's because of mentioned omniscience seeing himself act in the future, now and the past.
Now let's take a soul.
God is the creator of all souls, since he is the creator of everything. Which means that he makes a conscious decision when creating a particular soul. Because of his omniscience he will see this souls future before he's even created it, he will see whether or not this soul will sin or not.
Now here comes my point:
If God is truly omniscient, then why does he knowingly create souls that inevitably will sin and revolt against God, thus being condemned to hell?
The way one can explain this is if God's either not:
Omniscient

or

All benevolent

What do you guys think?
Did I think it through this time?

this sounds awfully familiar

sounds like bs

SPOILER:

god isn't real

>>1
Let's say God is omniscient.
Let's first say you haven't proven the existence of this "god".

Come back when you do.

This is all hypothetical RedCream :)

Read it like this if it bothers you:

The hypethetical God is omniscient.

If someone know logic argumentation and such and could clarify or simplify what I wrote I'd be glad but until then I 'll just have to give it another shoot:

The Christian God(or Islamic, Jewish or w/e) is said to posses omnipotence and omniscience in addition to all-benevolence and a will/desire to do good.
God himself has already defined what is Good and what is Evil through the ten commandments and later on through the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Now since God is omniscient he will only act in one possible way, since he will also see himself act in the past, present and the future of our time. That's just part of his nature, every decision he's taken or is gonna take is already taken at any given moment in our own world since he is also said to exist outside of our own time.

Let' take a look at the nature of souls now:

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

Ergo, according to Christianity God creates the human soul.

Most Christians also believe that when people die their souls will be judged by God, who sees all the wrong and right that they have done during their lives. If they have repented of their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, they will inherit eternal life in Heaven and enjoy eternal fellowship with God. Christians believe that if one has not repented of his sins and not accepted Jesus Christ, he will go to Hell, and suffer eternally as they are separated of God. This is the teaching of most evangelical, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches, which constitute the majority of Christianity, though there are some that believe the soul will be destroyed in hell, instead of suffering eternally, but that doesn't have any bearing on my arguments, au contraire really.

Now then comes the meat of my post:

A. God create all souls
B. God sees all souls that will suffer damnation before he even created them.
C. Therefore God is consciously creating souls that are determined to sin and consequently be punished in hell.

How can such a God be all-benevolent if he creates souls that have nothing but hell in their own future?

Either he's not all-benevolent, making it perfectly fine for him to create and punish millions of souls.
Or he's not omniscient, making it impossible for him see a souls future with 100% certainty.

I'm sure there's a couple of questions that you will ask so I'll just save you the trouble and answer them directly:

What about free will?
It's irrelevant since a God that is omniscient will see your future with 100% certainty, meaning that no matter what choices you make while you live you can't change the future that God has already seen.

God decides what is Good and Wrong, therefore it's perfectly fine for him to create souls that will only remind the rest of us that heaven is something we have to work for.

No, since God has already said what is Good and Wring through the Bible and Jesus. Bu this is rather meta and hypothetical, much like my arguments lol.

gtfo Christfags

I'm neither a Christian nor a fag.
In case you haven't noticed I'm merely disproving the classical Christian God.

*slow clap*

Is this worth reading?

>>7
O.O wow that really makes a lot of sense after you think about it for a bit. I was in denial all this time but now I'm ready to accept Jesus Christ into my life.

Thank you Nanami for profoundly changing me.

He(or is it She?)has some points actually, so yeah it's worth reading.

You're kinda wierd RedCream.

>>14
Don't worry he's just some 13 year old troll we picked up on our journeys

The real RedCream (i.e. me) has put religifaggotry in its place.  Get a clue, Nanami.  You're talking to a cloan.

You religtards are provably wrong and belong in the same bookshelf with the rest of the fiction titles.

But I'm not a religtard, even if I occasionally try out new religions. I'm just confused that a major religion such as Christianity has so many holes and paradoxes in it's teachings.
Is it the real RedCream I'm talking to now?

>>17
No, he said you are talking to a cloan.

>>17
You're a religitard if you actually BELIEVE in any of that god crap.

And yes, I'm the real RedCream and yes, >>18 is a peter puffer.

>>19
There's no need to get nasty here :(
It's just an interesting discussion, whether or not God can posses all the traits that Christianity claim it possess.

>>19
Oh gee, I suppose you worship santa claus then??

God doesn't know what we're going to do before we do it. That's why it's called free will.

>>22
Omniscience implies that he does know what're we're going to do before we do it, whether we do it out of free will is irrelevant.

>>23

He is omniscient in the sense that he knows all knowledge of the present and past. He can not however know what decisions his creations are unexpectedly going to do as he gave them the ability to do whatever they want.

People need to start taking accountability for their actions instead of saying "Oh God made me this way". No, you made yourself that way.

>>21
I don't worship at all.  You have to understand the staggeringly low limit on what you claim is your "thinking".  In fact, you're not actually thinking; you're just "conscious".  That's a marked characteristic of religifucks.

>>24
That's not what the bible says, it says that he's omniscient, meaning that he knows everything. And that includes knowing what you're gonna do in the future, whether we do it out of free will or not.
But yeah, if he had limited omniscience this wouldn't be a problem but then he wouldn't be a God.

>>1, let's see, I agree up to the point where you start saying things like knows what we're going to do and stuff. Of course God knows what we're going to do, but our mentor is more concerned about what we are going to CHOOSE to do and to see if we will maintain our natural instincts or surpass them by realizing we are human animals and grow from there. But, like all things, he also knows that with a reaction there comes an equally opposing reaction. So, for every self-aware action we pursue, self-preservation also adds its little flare as well. Oh, but God already knows of humanities propensities for they are within everything and God has foreseen this even from the beginning of creation. God even built into everything the ability to evolve and CHANGE forms like a constant work-in-progress. Anyone care to comment?

I have to give props to a fellow poster, A2U, he really has his work cut out for him. But more about this God thing. Here's another thing that I've noticed about life. Everything that we can perceive is built upon levels, cells are built upon molecules built upon atoms, and so forth. So, I began research on the human brain, and vuala, there it was! The brain started out very primative as well and grew over top of pre-existing primative brain centers, 3 in fact, to what we currently know as our whole brain, the most impressive of ours is the neo-cortex. The great thing about this neural network of memory and decision making is that it can interact with two seperate sides through one conduit, as well as the two lower brain systems on a chemical interpretational level known as the ego. The ego is an interpretter for the ID which is the control center for all chemical emotional reactions. The link is that our consciousness and our perception get confused with our chemical emotions sometimes and sometimes that happens so often that it becomes natural and eventually becomes a habit. Yes, god was a true inventor. One being who surrendered his existence to the creation of project. He spread his essence across an entire field of space-time allowing for potential and kinetic energies to not only follow their nature, but to continue his as well. His seeds is within everything, we are ... the pod people. :P

>>26
Excuse me I do not appreciate you calling me names like that because I believe in my lord and saviour Jesus Christ. I am like so many other Christians in this world who have embraced our faith to become truly happy and on the correct path to our salvation.

>>30
Who fucking cares what you like?  You're still a religifuck for believing in the equivalent of the fucking EASTER BUNNY.

>>31
Actually Jesus Christ is real, he was never invented like the tooth fairy or santa claus. Please show more consideration towards our faith as we are great in number and many of the posters on this site are definately Christian.

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>>32
samefag

>>33
wrongfag

>>32
It doesn't matter how many of you there are.  You're provably wrong in your beliefs and completely stupid thereby.

It's not a matter of the existence of a person.  It's the existence of this DIVINITY THING that you religifags continue to insist upon.

You see, this is why you religitards continue to merit all due contempt, since you can't construct a logical argument to save your fucking lives.  Comparing your Jesus to the fucking Easter Bunny is entirely apt, since both are given MAGIC POWERS.  Magic powers are infantile.  Multiplying bread from nothing, and turning water instantly into wine, is as farcical AND IMPOSSIBLE to do as it is to have a Human-sized bunny rabbit hiding eggs and chocolate.  The existence of magic powers has NEVER been demonstrated.  In fact, since magic is alleged to be pervasive, it should be EASY to prove.  Since it cannot be proven in many millions of attempts, the only answer is that IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.

The same proof model works with your "god" thing.  There should be PLENTY OF EVIDENCE for this omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient creature.  But instead we have JACK FUCKING SQUAT no matter where we look or how we look for it.  HENCE IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.

You fucking children.  GROW!  UP!

>>27

i don't believe in the bible version of God.

The popularity of Christianity is more reason why it's wrong.

PERFORMING SANITY CHECK:
It doesn't matter how many of you there are. {a united cause can overrun any army, so FAIL} You're provably wrong {yet I ask for evidence, nope, FAIL} in your beliefs and completely stupid thereby. {well, since both statements before are FAIL, that means the final statement is also FAIL}

It's not a matter of the existence of a person. It's the existence of this DIVINITY THING that you religifags continue to insist upon.{actually, it's me that's assuming that this DIVINITY THING is actually some creature, so FAIL}

You see, this is why you religitards continue to merit all due contempt, since you can't construct a logical argument to save your fucking lives. {ah, but what are my scientific ideas based upon?...so, FAIL} Comparing your Jesus to the fucking Easter Bunny is entirely apt, since both are given MAGIC POWERS.{I apologize for my lack of humor, FAIL}  Magic powers are infantile. {hence the reason I believe in imaginary creatures and tell others they don't exist, FAIL} Multiplying bread from nothing, and turning water instantly into wine, is as farcical AND IMPOSSIBLE to do as it is to have a Human-sized bunny rabbit hiding eggs and chocolate. {yet it was fun to believe in that magical bunny and his magic eggs, so FAIL} The existence of magic powers has NEVER been demonstrated.  In fact, since magic is alleged to be pervasive, it should be EASY to prove. {except that it happens to be based upon something that has yet to happen, potential energy, so once again FAIL} Since it cannot be proven in many millions of attempts, the only answer is that IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST. {Well, like the previous statements have consistently failed, this final assumption is purely a self-made make-believe statement I dreamt of cause I'm just not sure about anything I really say, and once again FAIL}

The same proof model works with your "god" thing. {once again, what is this thing I'm talking about? Does it resemble anything I'm even referring to? Ah, my own delusions of pressumed accurate imaginations, again FAIL} There should be PLENTY OF EVIDENCE for this omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient creature.  {except that God's not a creature as I'm claiming, but whatever, FAIL} But instead we have JACK FUCKING SQUAT no matter where we look or how we look for it. {So, if thine own eye offend thee pluck it out...*awaiting response*} HENCE IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST. {yet we can imagine, FAIL}

You fucking children.  GROW!  UP! {this is my own self-analysis of my own delusions of pressumed knowledge based upon my own imaginations which are the very thing that I'm attempting to dis-prove, FAIL}

Conclusion:
I am a "fucking child" who won't "Grow! Up!" and follow my own advice, therefore I am a hypocritical antagonist I proclaim to have evidence against. Therefore, I have FAILED. I submit my resignation of 4chan.org and shall hereby from this day leave and never return. Should any other person begin posting on 4chan.org under my name of "RedCream", they will be marked by all as an imposter. Good bye.

RedCream you fucking idiot. Even thought something can't exist we can discuss from it. Darth Vader and Gandalf don't exist either, they are written characters like christian god. We can discuss about, how Darth Vader killed Obi-wan and so on, even though this never happened. I'm not religious either, but I like the lore behind Bible. Not the lame stuff, but mostly the demonology and ranks of angels.

yeah, I is dumb as a ostrich with head in sand. :(