So the other day I was talking to a person who was going to a university (an American one) and he said he was taking some "Middle East Studies" class or something. I asked him if he knew the difference between Sunni and Shi'a Islam and he didn't know. I then asked him if he knew anything about how after World War I, territories formerly controlled by the Ottoman Empire became League of Nations mandates under British and French administration, and he knew nothing about it. I don't know what he's being taught but I think knowing the difference between the two main denominations of Islam and the history of the region is important if he's going to act like he's an expert on the subject. I'm not claiming to be an expert but it's funny how I know so much more than him. Nonetheless, he's the educated one because he's taking a class for it at a university and I'm not.
I got F's in school and I dropped out and I have never spent a single day in college so can somebody please explain why I know more than him?
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Anonymous2007-06-24 22:49 ID:biLaUWRD
Proof Universities teach NOTHING! Not even "how" to think for yourself anymore. Sad state of education is sad.
Which is why I only employ after a 1 month internship. I really don't give a fuck what pieces of paper you have Mr Harvard, you need to prove yourself TO ME!
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blah2007-06-24 22:53 ID:l0DQDfrP
colleges are just for show when your applying for "real" jobs
>>3
Not with me dude. I've fallen victim to too many "College Geniuses" before. 95% of them should NEVER, EVER have received a degree.
Why they pass? Well we'll let the faculty answer this one...
Faculty: We need the cash. Who cares who gets what degree as long as we get paid biatch!
See...
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Anonymous2007-06-24 23:02 ID:B2xTg9ez
Going to school to "get a job" is a waste of money because an employer *should* look at the skills of the person rather than degrees. On the converse, going to "expand your knowledge" is a waste of time because, regardless of the professor, you are ultimately at the mercy of his/her bias.
Personally, I have more respect for the person that worked his way through school and had poor grades than the one that got straight A's and did nothing.
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Anonymous2007-06-24 23:03 ID:ndS+GUGN
Too bad everyone's under a mind control and thinks "He has a degree so he's right".
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Anonymous2007-06-24 23:09 ID:ndS+GUGN
Here's how the American education system works.
Elementary school: You actually learn basic skills like math, some science, some history, and other crap. Grades are based almost entirely on effort and quality of work.
Middle school: The school still teaches but not as much, most of school is starting to become a social playground. Grades are based on social status and a little bit on knowledge.
High school: Absolutely no learning. People simply socialize all day and bully people less socially popular as them. Grades are entirely are based on wealth and popularity. Yet for some reason drop outs are looked down upon.
University: People spend the equivalent of a Lamborghini Countach over a period of 4 years to "learn" things they will never once apply to their actual job. Yet for some reason people with degrees are seen as experts in their fields.
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blah2007-06-24 23:10 ID:l0DQDfrP
^completely true...todays sociaty is so built up upon the education from college that they dont look at wat the education from college is.
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Anonymous2007-06-24 23:18 ID:ndS+GUGN
Doctors apparently need 8 years in college. Well I wouldn't feel nervous if you got a guy with no training and trained him on the spot while he cut me open to operate. Because unless he was completely stupid he'd do the same job if not better a graduate would've done.
>>17
Well I am not an "sage." You have no right to call me that if I made mistakes. This site should have some rules about harrassments, threats, and name calling. I am still in the need of more help in that regards
>>21
I really want to kill myself but i dont want to hurt my family. ahh well, i'll just sit here and wait til they die then drown myself, ive given up on life. no pussy, no friends no fucking anything. i cant even play video games because im to stupid and i just fail at the first opportunity. AAAAAAGGGRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! FUCK!! I WANT TO FUCKING DIE!!
>>2
The Phantom Dumper strikes again! This time, at my office job. It was me who took the upper-decker in stall 2 of the womens bathroom. It was me who shat in the upper right hand drawer of the VPs desk. That horrid smell in the copy room? You guessed it. I took down a ceiling tile, crapped, and put it back up. The cute new intern? It's my fault she left. She left her purse in her cubby overnight. Yep, I got it. The office managers coffee cup? I apologize for this one because I had Taco Bell. Oh, and that wasn't dog shit sitting in a nice pile on the sidewalk leading to the main entrance. Come on, when was the last time you saw a 250 lb dog? The shitting will continue until I get that raise I was promised 6 months ago.
And the next round will be worse, since I've started drinking Metamucil
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Anonymous2007-06-25 9:13 ID:6yzDV9we
This thread seems important enough for me to reply to, but not important enough for me to read it.
anyone can know more than anyone else in any topic if they're the only ones that are studying it and the other person isn't aware they're being judged on whether or not they know about his topic.
OP is having a massive FAIL day.
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Anonymous2007-06-25 17:18 ID:Ek26w0y9
bump
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Anonymous2007-06-25 17:23 ID:Ek26w0y9
Anyway stick to the topic. The OP would like to know why he being a dropout who got F's is smarter than someone attending a nice university.
For most subjects outside of hard science, universties are a giant waste of time. Especially things like History and Sociology/Psychology (IMO both are psuedoscience with good lobbying), and literature. In fact, studying Soc/Psych and "literature" does more to destroy your mind than to help you learn. What those courses "teach" you is that things like "fact", "truth", and "data" are at best irrelevant and at worst a conspiracy by "the elites" to hold down and oppress.
That's why the "science" of psychology has so many schools of thought. Some think that it's Maslows hierarchy of needs, others still listen to Freud, and others listen to Jung. This isn't Logic, Science or Reason. If they'd use any one of these tools, they'd realize that they've been taught that 5 or 6 completely different (and in many cases contradictory) theories are all equally true and correct.
It's worse in literature -- to get a good mark in literature, you have to pretty much make up new theories for what each "symbol" in a story or poem means. Everything in a story is a symbol, and nothing they symbolize has anything to do with actual function in the story, the author's stated opinion on the topics, or anything related to current events of the day.
By the time one has marinated in such courses for 4+ years, his mind is ruined. He can no longer think logically about facts and reason. He believes (as he was taught) that those things are bullshit, so he'll believe whatever makes him feel good.
Hard sciences are a different story. If you get the wrong answer on the physics test, you fail. If you can't name and locate a humans innards, you'll fail human anatomy. Engineers with a degree have had to prove that their stuff will stand.
No, universities put you in a box. Education is meant to expand the horizons and capabilities of what we are today. So I say this to those that believe they are above others due to their degree(s), enjoy your box (of aids).
>>1
you either have a good memory, had just learned it, he was never taught it, or he only learned it to pass a test in world history and soon forgot it after cause it was of no use to him at all, grades and degrees have no affect on how smart or stupid you are, they are merely letters to determine you skill at gathering information, the fact the you remember after your done with school or the test is irrelevant
>>7
need to go to an american high school dont you know you grade is based on you abilty to memorize stuff it goes that way for any school in america and the fact that lower social classes are bullied by higher social class is a stereotype created by the media i was from a preaty low social class yet i was never bullied by anyone despite the fact that i was from a dirt poor family also got a c average due to the fact that im good at temporally memorizing things, although educationally i dont remember much from high school
/rant
idk why i just did that....
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Anonymous2007-06-25 23:47 ID:SBMpjzl6
Besides a few professions like things pertaining to physics, rocket science, and maybe even law. "Higher learning" doesn't mean much.
Elementary school K-6: You actually learn basic skills like math, some science, some history, and other crap. Grades are based almost entirely on effort and quality of work.
Middle school 7-8: The school still teaches but not as much, most of school is starting to become a social playground. Grades are based on social status and a little bit on knowledge.
High school 9-12: Absolutely no learning. People simply socialize all day and bully people less socially popular as they are. Grades are entirely based on wealth and popularity. They could care less for knowledge and effort. Yet for some reason drop outs are looked down upon as being stupid.
University: People spend the equivalent of a Lamborghini Countach over a period of 4 years to "learn" things they will never once apply to their actual job. Yet for some reason people with degrees are seen as experts in their fields. It's pretty much a place where you buy a degree so people will think you're smart when you really aren't.
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Phantom Dumper2007-06-28 2:06 ID:+htaEbBn
The Phantom Dumper strikes again! This time, at my office job. It was me who took the upper-decker in stall 2 of the womens bathroom. It was me who shat in the upper right hand drawer of the VPs desk. That horrid smell in the copy room? You guessed it. I took down a ceiling tile, crapped, and put it back up. The cute new intern? It's my fault she left. She left her purse in her cubby overnight. Yep, I got it. The office managers coffee cup? I apologize for this one because I had Taco Bell. Oh, and that wasn't dog shit sitting in a nice pile on the sidewalk leading to the main entrance. Come on, when was the last time you saw a 250 lb dog? The shitting will continue until I get that raise I was promised 6 months ago.
And the next round will be worse, since I've started drinking Metamucil
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Anonymous2007-06-30 0:59 ID:Lnkc37o9
Yeah I learn more when I'm high.
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Anonymous2007-07-02 6:29 ID:i074Ukdx
higher learning is a myth.
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Anonymous2007-07-02 7:02 ID:moNgAgSR
>>1 >>15
So you think you're a better, smarter person than him just because you happen to know a couple of things he doesn't?
LOL
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Anonymous2007-07-03 4:40 ID:WEbGAaOg
The point is that the "retarded drop out" knew more about the Middle East and its history than the "smart guy" who was studying it at a fancy university. And he wants to know why. Why don't you thoroughly read the post.
That's just one subject he knows not "a couple of things he doesn't" but many things.
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Anonymous2007-07-03 5:35 ID:zv8WvGyt
>>51
It teaches research. Not very well either. The degrees are fucking useless when it comes to knowing a subject.
Forget most of the fuckers in the IT industry. If you have a degree you can get in line with the other interns, just further back cos I'm taking the dude who taught himself 4 scripting languages plus 32 other applications.
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Anonymous2007-07-03 13:42 ID:FP76kqfP
science courses are just as grey as humanities.
physics say is a set of theories (sometimes contradictory, but as is the case in say phyc, as 2 different world views rather than 2 simultanius truthes), which are based on incomplete data.
To stand up, they just have to predict results correctly ALL of the time and make mathmatical sense based on other theories that predict results correctly all of the time.
science students (with half a brain) understand this, and actually I see a good few dropouts when they come to understand this. Unfortunately humans dont have a complete picture of their world.
anyways, when I'm talking to people that dont do my course, and they want to talk about it, I quite often play dumb because people like talking, and if I were to tell them about it I'd feel like I was lecturing them. Its basic social skills.
Maybe they just thought you were a fag and wanted to stop talking to you about it before you ass fucked them.