Exposing the Theist

The following are three crappy (for lack of a better word) arguments made by theists, each with an exposition by yours truly.

"God exists, because the Bible says so, and the Bible is true because it's the Word of God, and God wouldn't lie."

Here, the theist assumes as a premise the very thing he's attempting to prove, namely the existence of God. The premises should lead to the conclusion, not be the conclusion.


"We create complex things, and we are complex, therefore we have a creator, and our creator is God."

This is a conjecture at best. We know that we create things because we do so all the time, and we've been doing so for many years. That is the proof. However, there's no proof that humankind has a creator, let alone that God is the creator. Also, some things are created by more than one person, such as buildings, for example. So, if we were created, we don't necessarily have just one creator. Anyway, the Theory of Evolution contradicts ID, and has evidence backing it.


"The fact that we exist is proof that God exists."

God is defined as our creator, so here the theist assumes that God must be there since we're here. However, our existence is not proof of God any more than the appearance of presents under your tree on Christmas Day is proof of Santa Claus.

Can anyone think of more?

All I have to say to that is...


























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>>1

Those are pretty crappy interpretations of the arguments Theists make. I've never actually heard anyone use the first argument, except for idiots who like to pretend it's a real argument to make Theists look like retards. At most, I've seen the second half of the arguments, but no real Theist who knows anything will argue that God exits simply because the Bible says he does.

The second argument is true, quite a bit of conjecture. However,  it is at least possible to argue that a God (God simply being a conciousness that created/caused the universe) would be a simpler explaination of how the universe works than what has to be a near infinitly complex scientific universe.
However, this is not reason in of itself to believe in a God, and certainly not one for believing in a specific God.

And I have never even heard of your third argument. Not even by people trying to make Theists look bad. If anything, it seems like a terrible terrible interpretation of the second argument. In any case, I doubt more than a hundred people in the history of religion have made that argument alone to prove God exists. It will most certainly only be seen as part of a larger argument.


In any case, good luck finding arguments for religion. There are very few, probably because any argument for religion is by design going to be conjecture at best.

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>>4
Same person.


Also,

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>>4

Actually, I have had that first argument shoved down my throat by a Catholic. I just laughed in his face.

as for the other two:  God exists because we believe in him.  If he created those who believe in him(us), who created him in order for him to be believed in?

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>>6

humans have the power to create watches. Without humans, watches wouldn't exist. god is something with the power to create the universe. This is not proof, only an analogy. Point being, if there is a single thing that caused the universe (either that or the universe spans infinitely long into the past, and even then - what caused the universe to be that way?), then it is not beyond the realm of potential for a spontanious intelligence to have done it (makes more, or as much, sense that a spontanious inteligence would be created as a spontanious universe with all the complex laws of phyisics that seem to come from nowhere). Not that such a being must have existed, or even that one probably did, but instead that it is at least a possibility. That's all a Theist needs to have faith in their religion

Those are pretty crappy interpretations of the arguments Theists make. I've never actually heard anyone use the first argument, except for idiots who like to pretend it's a real argument to make Theists look like retards.

It is exactly what they say.  There is absolutely no way to prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, manipulating us all with his noodly appendage, and yet idiots in robes find it fitting to call its faith a "false religion."  I suppose they're too busy WORSHIPPING THE FORESKIN OF JESUS CHRIST.

>>4
These are things that theists have said to me at some point in the past, the third one being the most recent. One day, some guy I talk to asked me, out of the blue, why I don't believe in God, so I told him, and one thing he said was, "Look around you, Anonymous. LOOK AROUND YOU. The very fact that we exist, alone, proves that God exists!" Sure, it was part of a larger response, but it was just stuff like, "Judaism is older than the belief in the gods of Olympus," and, "Everything didn't just come out of nowhere. Even scientists say the chances are one in a million!" And it seemed like he didn't read all of my reply, because he made a bunch of assumptions about me and kept putting words in my mouth.

Maybe I just get all the dumb ones. I don't know.

YOU FOOLS, JEZUS WILL COME DOWN AND YOU WILL BE CAST TO HELL ON JUDGEMENT DAY!!

>>11
I have Ultima 9 and 9^999 MP.  Fuck Jesus.