WTF is not4chan.org?

as title, why is there only loli and shota crap there?
isn't loli andshota illegal in US? how come such site is open?

gtfo you sick pedo we dont wanna hear about ur sick fetishes here fag, go knife yourself in the face

Animated child pornography is perfectly legal in the US. It is just not socially acceptable.

I'm actually glad it's not socially accepted too.

If you don't like lolicon you are suffering from some kind of sexual dysfunction. I suggest seeking help immediatly

>>5
I am a psychologist, and I agree with this statement.

Not4chan.org was created when 4chan had to drop the loli boards so they could use donation services.

That's why it's called 'Not4chan'. They're even operated in the same server room. Just on different servers.

Anyone who remembers 4chan's early days knows this.

lurk moar

>>7

o I forgot not4chan is ran by another person, Saber. They also have a different team of staff.

I thought the servers were in Mexico because lolicon is illegal in the US.
And if I'm not mistaken, at least one or two people in Canada and the US have been arrested for having loli-hentai.  What is the deal?

loli is illegal in Canada, not in the US.  pornography involving actual children (as opposed to artistic representations of children) is illegal in both.

Anyone who remembers 4chan's early days knows this.
lol
that's like saying 1950 was in the USA's early days.

>>9

Lolicon is legal in the US. I dont know where you got that idea from. There have been a few people who were arrested for lolicon but these people had already been arrested in the past for having real child porn. So they were violating thier parole by having it. Another man was arrested for it because he was viewing it on public computers and already had real Child porn on his home computers.

The courts already stated that drawings were not CP because it did not involve real children. Which is the only reason CP is illegal. CP involves the abuse and perversion of REAL children.

It's alot harder to just ban an artform. That kind of goes against a few freedoms the public is promised in the US, you know?

>>1
go back to ur socialist/communist nation

Sorry for being a noob, but what's shota?

>>14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shota

in a nutshell, it's loli except with underage boys instead of underage girls.

     Actually the PROTECT Act of 2003(The Amber Laws) prohibits simulated (not invoving a real child, inclueds drawing, cg, and literature) and makes it illegal.  despite the fact that that the supreem court found in 2002 that simulated child pornography didn't involve real children is under the protection of the First Amendment to the Constitution as it didn't actually harm a child.  So the law is effectivly illegal, but was passed anyways.  Only one person has been charged and convicted under this law:Dwight Whorley.  However he was in posession of real child pornography as well, and the charges were unclear because all the pornography was put together in the charges and it is unclear the grounds he was convicted on.  So the question is do you want to be the person that becomes famous by taking this case all the way to the supreme court when you get convicted of having kiddy porn?

references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Status_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Whorley

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>>16 So the question is do you want to be the person that becomes famous and rich by taking this case all the way to the supreme court when you get convicted of having art?

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>>18
      It's drawn pornography.  drawn ponograpy is artifical pornograpy it doesn't invovle real people, same for written.  child pornography is pornography involving children, milf ponography is pornography containing milf, anal pornography is pornography containing anal.
          Therefore it is arificial child pornography.  Your emphasis is making it art, where my empasis is that it is fucking artifical.  The definition of art is very broad.  real pornography can be art i guess.  Real child pornography can be art.  being photographic i guess photography is defined as art.  And all forms of drawn and written anything is art.  I mean if rap is art, than artifical child pornography definately is.  Nobody ever said that all art is legal.  Art that harms others or their property is still illegal, it dammages your propery.    That is why REAL child porn is illegal, it harms the child.  Artifical doesn't have a real child in it.  I can draw a picture of a murder, that doesn't make me a killer.  If we allow that distinction to fall here, we have to allow it to fall in all those places as well.  I can hit your car with a sledge hammer and make it modern art, that doesn't make it legal for me to do that.  And you didn't answer the question.  Do you really want to take it to court and becme famous along those lines.  I mean there is nothing to say you absoluely will.  I have no idea who took it to court in 2002.  But are you willing to take it that far and risk becoming famous for that.  Are you willing to spend all those years in jail waiting for the court to listen to you being in prision as a PEDOPHILE, i am sure that will be a pleasant experience.  Not to mention the Justices have changed a little, it's possible the court won't throw out the charges.

>>18
Besides note that law conflicts with US Code, Title 18, Section 2256(child pornography law) which requires images either to be real, based on real existing child or indistinguishable(pretty much impossible today) from real images.

Read the law : http//ww/...

need to bump this to the top so i have time to post

>>20
    Ok here we go.  No more invasion I hope.  Now first when 2 laws covering the same topic contradict the it means both that all things illegalized in either law are illegal.  second that when the laws contradict the newer law is given presidence.  Laws are allowed to contradict.  There are simply 2 many for them not to.  Laws aren't allowed to contradict the constitution.  Of course that law has to be taken to the courts and proven that it conflicts the constitution.  After which a politician can simply rewrite the law and pass it again. 
      Next Onto the case in point.  Page 81 of the Protect Act says:
1 SEC. 504. OBSCENE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.
2 (a) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 71 of title 18, United
3 States Code, is amended by inserting after section 1466
4 the following:
5 ‘‘§ 1466A. Obscene visual representations of the sex6
ual abuse of children
7 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—Any person who, in a cir8
cumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly pro9
duces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to dis10
tribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a draw11
ing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
12 ‘‘(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually
13 explicit conduct; and
14 ‘‘(B) is obscene; or
15 ‘‘(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to
16 be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadis17
tic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, in18
cluding genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or
19 oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or
20 opposite sex; and
21 ‘‘(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or
22 scientific value;

http://judiciary.senate.gov/special/S151CONF.pdf

             I know I know you said it was art before.  GOOD LUCK ARGUING THAT TO THE COURT.  hardcore sex has never been found to be of artistic value in court.  Also this doesn't define animated child pornography as legally child pornography.  It just says that you can get charged the same way.  Also, If you want to get really specific.  I would like to know how they can have a section of a law that is supposed to be making specific things illegal start with "‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—"  I know almost every law starts with this phrase now.  but it should be fucking illegal.  HOW THE FUCK CAN THEY BE ALLOWED TO PUT A CATCH ALL LIKE "IN GENERAL" IN A FUCKING LAW.  sorry, just my rant.  but there is my reply.  And still nobody has answered my questions i put forth in >>16 and >>19

  The PROTECT Act of 2002 I think ammened ammended US Code, Title 18, Section 2256 making artifical pornography illegal to.  please check page 75-80 for me to make sure I got that right.  I can't sort out exactly how it was rewritten. 

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>>24
I would gladly ban you twice or even TRICE for this spamming, but sadly I am not a mod.

>>29
I wish you were then

yay, he's gone

>>22
If it's indeed illegal why Not4chan and all the other sites keeps running on US servers? How can anime/manga stores(including big ones such as animenation too) sell imported loli/shota mangas openly? I haven't ever heard of drawn porn site being taken down by cops. Note that FBI has actually big hugely funded obscenity section that actively goes against all forms porn and they have even taken down totally TEXT based sites. Why only recent court case involving being arrested for drawn CP involves also parole violation and real cp? Seriously it can't be illegal.

>>32
         The answer to that is perfectly obvious.  Text based porn involving minors is easily detectable and is actually being much more self-regulated now by sites than it used to be before the PROTECT act.  And you are right that drawn child porn has already been declared to be under the first amendment by the US supreme court.  So why is drawn porn so prevalant and impossible to stop?  that is actually the easiest question in the world to answer.  and the answer is another question that I am supprised you didn't ask:

        How, the fuck, can you determine the age of a person drawn???  I mean seriously.  When it comes to a drawing I age is just an arbitrary number.  I mean what can I really base my assumption on.  Yes in written porn you will quite often outright say the age of the people in order to set the right image. but with a drawing it means nothing.  Yes you can start to say that some stuff is obvious child drawings, but in order to press charges you need irrefutable proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person was underage at the time the drawing was made.  I mean can you really wrap your mind around the task of setting exact standards for determining the age of a drawing, painting, computer generated image, ect?  Put bluntly if anyone can really come up with a way to do it I will fully support the law that includes it.  I say this because it is impossible, not because I believe the drawings should be illegal.
        Dojin is something of a different matter.  Often tiemes it directly states the age of the child involved.  Often times it uses already established characters from a known serise.  While I can't answer the first part the second is easy enough.  Who is to say that the porn takes place at the same time as the series, could be 20 years afterwards and the character wouldn't be a minor anymore.  Then you can have a character like Sasami Masaki Jurai(Tenchi Muyo)-900 years old with the body of a 9 year old.  Last i checked 900 was well past the age of consent.    So this all gets really hard to do as well.  Canada, and the UK have done it, however their laws are abstract enough that if you have a drawing of porn, anyone just has to say that it looks underage to them and you can get fully charged.


>>20 I meant to mention this in >>22 but if you look at this
8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
     from:
http//ww/...

It specifically includes doctored images of real children.  This means all those old fake Olsen Twins photos, and the newer popular fakes of Emily Watson are all totally illegal.  More child porn.

>>32
what the hell? how can you take down text sites? we have plenty of literature depicting that kind of thing like nabokov's lolita in local book stores and those are perfectly acceptable...

>>34
     That is fairly arguable.  I believe it is not so much the sites getting serious charges pressed on them as it is them them simply not wanting to get serious charges pressed on them.

>>34
It's notable that they actually weren't lolita sites. They were scat and bondage stories mostly involving adults, but some children too. They can take them down, but they most likely lose at court if it's even taken to court.

>>33
Actually drawn CP is legal in UK. Only images indistinguishable from photographs are illegal. Canada is one of few countries who actually outright ban it, but then again if the ages are stated it doesn't matter there. That's why all US released hentai has those "All characters are over 18" warning as they want to sell them in Canada too.

Point put, loli/shota-con is put there because it is different from the regular 4chan boards, because loli and shota are generally looked down upon.  Imagine if the admins put a lolicon/shotacon section in the main boards, can you imagine how much flaming would be posted there, from people who have nothing better to do than bash?

shut up and stop failing

It was moved from 4chan to not4chan because google or whoever wouldn't put ads on 4chan if it was there. It's still in the same server or nameserver, I think.