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Is there still hope?

Name: Love_fiasco-guy 2006-05-07 18:38

I got to know her when I entered the 11 grade and we had religion classes together(september 2004). So, I instantly noticed that there was something about her, well, something on which I couldn't could place my finger, that just drew my attention. Later I noticed what it was: her personality. But more of that later.
So anyway, seeing as I am a big coward about feelings and can hardly hint at them, let alone speak 'em out, I tried to become kind of friends with her. She got together with a guy from the same religion class whom she knew for quite some while(november 2004). So, I buried my feelings deep inside and tried not to interfere, after all, she was happy with him, so who am I to break a good relationship down? He was a really boring guy actually, witty sometimes, but overall a borefest. Hell, I'm no Dave Chappelle, but this guy, come on.....
So, time flies by and they break up(february 2006 I think). I see this and I get all tingly. So, I try to hang out with her more and more but then I notice something: oh snippity snippity snap, I'm in her friend zone! Nooooooo! Realizing that I had no chance to hint at my feelings while she still saw me as just a good friend, I made maybe a stupid mistake, maybe my only choice, depends on your view - I decided to kiss her sometime soon. I simply decided to place thise delicate business on one tiny possibility, I went all in with absolutely the shittiest cards in my hands. And Halleluja, there was a dance night just around the corner, so I invited her to come with me and a couple of friends. Ok, so the evening passes by and I finally get the chance to dance with her alone. I bite my whole fear down, say my last amen and do this dance move which all the tango dancers love - legs far apart and pulling the girl behind, almost laying her on the floor while still holding her. So I try to kiss her, and of course, the expected response happens - she denies me the kiss. Whoop-ti-woo Dukey-boy, you failed.

We leave the club and on the next morning I wake up and realize how this tiny event changed things: she saw me as a friend, I tried to kiss her -> I shocked her and she doesn't know what I was doing. For bonus points, the next day we would have religion classes together and without resolving the matter, shit would be super awkward, so I decided to lay out my feelings on monday.
Ok, it was raining, perfect weather for a 99% guaranteed denial, but I still go through with it: I explain her how long I liked, nay, loved her, how much, how deep, how difficult it was when she was with the other guy and how I really want to be with her. Of course, that was an even bigger shock for her than my attempted kiss, because she probably thought that I was drunk or something. I was a friend all the time and now BAM, in 2 days she gets to understand that I loved her. Of course she doesn't have any feelings towards me at this moment because she simply didn't even have the chance to consider me as a boyfriend. So me, holding back the tears(believe me, I never had such a chaos in the heart and in my mind, so it was hard), is telling her that we'll try to be friends.

Intermission - Her personality:
Now here is where her personality shines through. She is a very intelligent girl. She's kind of innocent and naive at some points, which makes her freaking adorable and sweet. And I don't mean innocent and naive in the sense of "Oh, I think the storch brings the babies". Furthermore, she's kind of short, and I dunno why but I find short girls in generally to be even more adorable and sweet. So ok, her personality. She didn't just brush me off like some bitch would, she lovingly explained to me that she doesn't have feelings for me but she hopes that we can be friends, and if it would be too hard to continue being friends with her she would understand if I wouldn't want to ever see her again. Now that is a fucking strong character trait, if I might tell you.

I continue with my story.
So, monday and tuesday were hell for me. Begin extroverted, almost the whole 12 class was wondering why the hell I was so blue, had to constantly fight back the tears, actually. Then I resolved the matter with myself on Wednesday. Dunno how, I just kind of made an inner monologue and came to a conclusion. And thus the flower idea was born.

fast forward to today: after she noticed the flowers, she phoned me and we had a small conversation which started something like this "Hi [ne]!" "Oh hi [her]! How are feeling?"(of course I knew she noticed the flowers) then she laughs and tells that I think I should know how she feels. Anyway, I had the biggest adrenaline and endemorphine rush since I can think as I heard that her voice was, even just slightly, trembling. She said that I must be suffering and that we could cut the contact if I wanted to, to which I said "No, it would be even bigger hell if I wouldn't see you anymore. I feel already happy when I know you feel happy because of me". Well, after some chit chat which brought me nowhere, I now have a starving heart: I starve for her.

So, flame me, call me an idiot, a dreamer, a wisher, a fool or whatever, I simply don't want to back off - this girl simply fascinates me too much for me to just dismiss it as a mere teen love. So, if anybody can draw some sense from all this madman's talk, feel free, nay, feel ENCOURAGED to give me advice, because hell yeah, I need some

tl;dr: I fell in love, she loved another, I waited, she broke up, I tried to kiss her, she denied, I told her my feelings, she showed a great personality in the way she denied my feelings, i was angsty, i came over it, i planted flowers, she was moved, i feel motivated to move on, need some tips

Closing note: This thread will be obvious flamebait and I don't expect there to be none, just please, at least give 1 relevant answer per 10 trolls.

Name: Anonymous 2006-05-10 20:39

  My advice to you. Now that you have expressed your feelings to her, distance yourself from her. Remain slightly cold and distant, don't be a jerk or an asshole but you don't want to look desperate. For example if she asks if you want to come hang out with her and some friends, say you have to study. If she wants you to help her move stuff say your busy. Keep talking to her but keep yourself at arms length.

  Then see if she responds, if not, well you got nothing. Time to move on.

Name: Anonymous 2006-05-10 23:47

>>39
1.-go comand line
2.-type:
format volume [/fs:ntfs] [/v:life] [/q] [/a:0] [/c] [/x]
3.-reebot

Name: Anonymous 2006-05-11 3:48

Ok, you just got two choices here, like the others said.

Either you like just being her friend and follow her around to be close to her and watch her having other boyfriends. Maybe thats enough for ya...

Or you start dating other girls as well and make yourself interesting for her. Could be that she turns away, but chance is equally big that if you stay friends and she sees other girls enjoying being your girl she'll reconsider or see you from another angle.

The whole, "I'll stick around and eventually she will love me"-thing wont happen. She isnt interested in you as you are right now, following around like a trained dog she allready knows all of wont change that. Its your choice...

Name: Love-fiasco_guy 2006-06-10 21:40

Ok, we got motherfucking update. I am still confused about girl #1 and one of her friends is now hitting on me. We made out a bit today at the park, but I am goddamn not sure what the fuck I am doing and even if I should proceed. Fuck, 4chan, what do I do?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 21:46

Love is undefined.
Let lonliness define love.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 21:46

I've heard this story like 350 times on lounge. Boy meets girl, girl thinks boy is just a friend. Boy whines like a little bitch on the internet.

This is how it is supposed to happen.

Boy befriends girl
then
boy waits
if
girl gives out signals
then
boy ends wait and invites girl on date

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 22:01 (sage)

>>44
GROW SOME FUCING BALLS FAGGOT AND STOP ASKING US. COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE STORIES OF CONQUEST TO TELL, INVOLVING GIRLS AS YOUNG AS 11 YEARS OLD, IF POSSIBLE

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 22:10

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Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 22:16

>>46
Write C much?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 4:33

>>48
WHAT FAGGOTRY IS THIS?!

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 5:09

>>50
Welcome to 4chan.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 7:59

so many words long post long thread, the poor molecules in my brain can't take it anymore!!!

i demand a thread summary for this faggotory.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 9:12

>>1

I feel for ya, man. Shit like that always happens - somehow related, I broke up with my second girlfriend, and even though I have a new one, I still think about her..it's in the back of my head, and whenever I see her or hear her talk, I just keep thinking to myself...damn...

And I don't even love the girlfriend I have now, as much as I did her..

Now you have me sad :(

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 9:12

Just go for it. Worst that could happen is that you commit suicide.

Name: Love-fiasco_guy 2006-06-11 9:17

>>54
That would be kind of a one way street. Damn :(
>>53
Sorry to hear that bro, love is needlessly complicated, eh?
That's also the reason why I'm kinda struggling with me if I should go for the second girl. I don't even know if there are any feelings for her or if just the feelings from the first girl are being clumsyly painted over to this one.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 13:45

>>38
I never read a success story on here, which leads me to believe that I should get the fuck out of this place lest I turn into one of said failures.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 14:43

Ehem.

1. Send more "i am a jerk" signals
2. Pretend you dont care out her
3. ???
4. SEX

or alternatively

1. Find a new girl and dont make the same mistakes that you did this time.

---
For serious, you lost all hope when you said "that would put me in an even bigger hell" and whats the big idea with going from friend to -kissing- her?

*teacher teacher i has an idea*

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO ASK HER OUT ON A DATE DUMBFUCK

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 14:54

>>36

*has idea*

Stop trying to MAKE girls fall in LOVE with you.
You can manipulate a girl into doing just about anything if you dont care about them. A girl will NEVER go for a guy because he "cares about" her. No, women are ficle and retarded, they want to proove their SKILL *wink* by turning a Jerk into a Middle-ground guy.

Its about the jerk signals. Toss as many lame pickup lines at her as possible, never even hinting to be serious. Hit on other women in front of her. If you are a man with a penis, then act like it.

There is not just "the friend zone" - there is also the "guys who i know (acquantience, NOT FRIEND) who i would totally fuck / go out with"

Try to get into the latter group.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 15:00

>>44 you are in a good spot.

Now that we are dealing with girl #2,

DONT MAKE THE SAME FUCKING MISTAKES.

Treat girl 2 with respect, keep things light (NO "I LOVE YOU" EVER) and dont have a bad breakup.

In social situations with girl #1 and girl #2 present, act aloof, and dont give a shit about either of them. When you are with women you ALWAYS have somthing better to be doing, got that? No PDA for girl #2 because you are really just using/manipulating her to get girl #1. keep your eye on the prize.

And ask girl #2 out on a date. AT least of girl #1 hates you you can have #2 as a consolation prize.

Name: Love-fiasco_guy 2006-06-11 15:59

>>59
Ok, so we all go out on Thursday to do some grilling with friends.  Yep, #1 and #2 are both there. What's gonna get complicated, I made out with #2 a bit on Saturday. Being a LOL-4channer, I was not very great at kissing and when I went with my hand to her pussy, she had stockings on and said "sorry, the stocking are pretty tight". I dunno why I did it, but not that she'll get a wrong idea...I mean, hell, I really don't know if I even want her. Maybe my feelings for #1 are just getting transferred to #2 or something like that....

Fuck, how should I behave at the grill-event? Think of me as Love-fiaso Otako or something like that, without some hints I think I'll burn horribly

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 16:19

Follow your dreams Love-fiasco taco!

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 16:27

>>61

Only on 4chan.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 18:22

>>Love-fiasco taco-san,

At the grill event...

Whoops, I just got a call from my 21 year old supermodel AZN girlfriend, serious buissiness lounge, she needs my manlove.

I'll get back to you >>Love-fiasco taco-san.

Name: 63 2006-06-11 23:39

Okay love-fiasco-taco-san I'm back.
The best thing to do at the grill event is to treat girl #2 nicely and not even give girl #1 the time of day. A friendly "Hi" and then you are done with girl #1. Then pay attention to girl #2, no pda, but flirt/hit on her etc. This will make girl #1 think "---[Error, women dont think in english]---" but anyway, she wants to get inside your pants.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 23:44

>>64

Wow, you must not be too concerned about those STDs.  Like, you know, because every girl is willing to make out with the guy their friend rejected twice.

Seriously though, don't do anything with girl #2 because that will make girl #1 think you are a) over girl #1 and trying to make up for it by getting with any random slut or b) make the problem even worse because you're awkwardly attempting to make her jealous or something.  In either case, you'll just drive girl #1, the girl you obviously really want, away.  Just hang out with girl #1 and slowly try to make up for all the retarded shit you've done, not compile even more mistakes onto it.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 23:45 (sage)

>>64

Disregard that, I suck cocks.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 23:48

A scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly
And is also known as a buster
Always talkin' about what he wants
And just sits on his broke ass
A scrub is a guy that cant get no love from me
Hanging out the passenger side
Of his best-friend's ride
Trying to holler at me.

Name: Love_fiasco-guy 2006-06-15 6:13

I am a despisable human being.

Ok, so what happened yesterday? At midnight I get a call from a friend of #1.
"Hey Love-fiasco_guy!"
"Hey [friend]! Where the hell are you?"
"In your neibourhood, near the grocery store"
"What the hell are you doing at midnight near my grocery store? Where is #1, I thought she was with you?"
"Yeah, she's here too....she's buying shoes"
"Oh ok, I'm on my way"
The thing is, there are no shoe stores in a 10 mile radius...#1 was sleepwalking. Sometimes when she had much events during the day, she'll fall asleep but then wake up and do her sleepwalking routine. Mainly she dreams of the events that have happened during the day. Well yesterday she was helping her mother out in the shoe store and it somehow stuck with her, dunno why.
Anyway, me and [friend] spend the next hour trying to get her to her home because she constantly sees puddles, walls, bus stops and lakes which are in our way and we have to go around, even though the way is perfectly fine. She feins a couple of times on the way(mainly because we once got tired of going around and pushed through the "wall" she was seeing...which was just the sidewalk) and at around 1:30am arive at her flat.
And now the despisable human being bit. Whenever she feins(or sleepwalks, for that matter), she doesn't have any memore of what had happened when she wakes up. So I was sitting at her couch and she feined and was lieing on me. Well ok, I asked [friend] to fetch some food and drinks from the fridge. As he lefted, I grabbed me some boobage. I really dunno why I did that...
Well, maybe next time she sleepwalks and I'm alone with her, I'll ask her what her feelings are towards me. Then the truth will be revealed!

Ok please kill me now for such thoughts

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 6:36

RAPE HER NEXT TIME. SHE WON'T REMEMBERING A THING SO IT'S THE PERFECT CRIME, LOVE FIASCO TACO.

Name: Love_fiasco-guy 2006-06-15 6:38

But rape is bad, mkay ;_;

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 6:42

Only if you are the one being raped

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 7:25

>>70
Stop pretending you're too good for rape. You already molested her, why not take the next step?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 13:10

Way to go Love-Fiasco Taco!!!
You got boob. What an inspiration to all of us 4channers.

Molesting her is somthing a potential boyfriend would do. Not somthing an emotional-support-only friend would do. Keep this up Love Taco! We beleive in you! You can rape her if you just beleive in yourself!

Name: Love-fiasco_guy 2006-06-15 15:29

Wow, seriously, wtf is this shit?

Am I somehow semi-important that I now have my very own copycats? I feel kinda....flattered?

Mini update: I think #2 has seriously fallen in love with me. It'll be shit when I'll have to burst her bubble :(

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 1:32

Love-fiasco Taco is not just one man, nor is he 190. He is the culmination of everything that "is" 4chan ~ that "is" the modern internet. We know that happiness from living vicariously, but we are still tempted by an outside world that we are just not meant to thrive in.

I for one, am pleased with the chance to live vicariously through love-sick taco.

Dont bother to burst #2's bubble. Keep acting like a suitor and not a friend to #1 and keep #2 as a low-maintainence "backup" girl.

DO YOUR BEST LOVE TACO

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 5:18

>>75
I agree!

Yeah it's best not to make any drastic actions, as long as you play it cool, you're not cheating on anyone and no one will get hurt (emotionally and physically) am I right?

Name: Love-fiasco_guy 2006-06-17 6:10

>>76
Well, if it would be this easy, I'd also be kinda happy. Thing is, #2 starts to seriously cling on to me. Yesterday I met up with her to sort things out. We sat down on a park bench and she started to put her face dangerously near mine. So I stood up and started to say that nooooo, I'm actually kinda confused right now and I need the summer vacation to get a clear head. Luckily she took the hint because honestly, I myself wouldn't have understood the riddles in which I was talking to her.
Then, at around midnight, I wanted to head home, but she invited me for tea. I figured "Hey, I have a mind on my own, if I don't want any fishy business I just go along with it". So we listened to some music at her place and she was constantly moving dangerously near me, again. I set an alarm clock to remind me when my train goes so I won't miss it, and she started carassing my face and hands. Luckily, the hint from earlier remained and she didn't try to kiss me. I figured "Hey, don't be rude Love-fiasco_guy, if it eases her, just let her do some small things". Well, when the alarm clock rang the mood visible darkened.
Anyway, we went for the station. On the way, she said that I should stay and not go away. I saw that shit was going to hit the fan pretty fast if I don't get out of there quick. And then shit really did hit the fan. "I don't want you to go away, what does it matter if you go home now or in 2 hours, just stay with me for a while, please" and she started to fight her tears. Well destiny, FUCK YOU, thanks for my bleak situation :(

Well I started to comfort her a bit, at least enough so that I could get to the station and not have any more outburst by her on the way. I imagine that she felt shitty.....man, I hate hurting people.

And now, at 1pm, #1 sends me an sms. "Hey, we gotta meet up and talk a bit. Meet me at 3pm at [stationname]". Well fuck, I really dunno what this talk is going to be about.....

My life is a big fucking goddamn catch-22

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 6:31

Aw damn... Well looks like it didn't work out to plan :/
Well what you need now is some times for yourself, some time when you can think for yourself and talk to each girl individually. Don't try and plan everything, because it won't work out that way. You just need some more time.

If not, who do you think loves you more? Take a one sided approach to this and say that this other girl loves me, so that's why I'm feeling so confused at the moment. Perhaps by doing this you can distant yourself from one of them for the time being. Don't even suggest to this girl that you love the other one, just think of it like a stalker on it.

Well hope it helps.

Name: Love-fiasco_guy 2006-06-17 11:35

Ok guys, this is the end of this thread. I DID touch #1's boob when she was sleepwaling, and that was the topic of today's discussion. She said that it is all over, our friendship and everything. Fuck, just tell me, why was I such an idiot? Why did I touch her boob? Was it really that necessary? What exactly did I gain in those 10 seconds?! FUCKING NOTHING! Now I lost a serious friendship and I'm totally down on the floor, fucking trying to forget. As already said, I'm the most vile thing on earth, I'm not a human being, I'm a fucking freak. I molested, or even raped, no matter the  context, a defenseless girl. I did it because of my own egoismus. And now she confroted me with it and I didn't know what to say. Now I broke a perfect friendship because of some stupid shit my dick or whatever was thinking.... I seriously loathe myself. Yeah,, whatever, I am emo, I won't forget this fucking mistake.

I broke a goddamn fucking perfect friendship because of my  idiotic instincts. I will never ever make such a mistake again, particularly because I want to stab my left hand with a knife to always see a scar and remember to not make idiotic,  completly egoistic and stupid  mistakes again. I am glad that some guys did contribute to this thread, but on the 4th of July I am flying away to Spain and then flying away to Moldova to forget all this shit I started. I do hope #1 will sometime forgive me, but until  then,, I'm  trying to become more stable and  reliable, I do hate myself but I'll work on it. Maybe this is the last post by me, but who knows? 4chan is truly a vile pit of monsters and  good guys. I do appreciate your advice, seriously...

Love-fiasco_guy is out!

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 14:40

Good luck in the future man. Remember some of us are worse, and so a smart man is one who learns from his mistakes and does not repeat them. But everyone makes them.

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