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Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 21:01

I learnt proper English some years ago. Strict, in the grammar sense, English. However, more and more, I see my abilities being deteriorated due to the internet. Even native speakers make constant mistakes, being some horrendous, which from those, unfortunately, I am beginning to be a victim, as I can notice them in my own speaking.

Would someone mid recommending a good book I can download from which I can revise some concepts?
Also, is there any online resource for prepositions (these I always had trouble with)?

Thank you, /lang/

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 23:06

Google for common English mistakes. Don't make them, ever. The world will start thinking you're a genius.

On a more serious note, you could try reading through some blogs on copyediting. Here's one I follow:
http://afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/grammar/

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-14 8:09

>1 what's your native language?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-14 14:35

>3 Portuguese is my native language, but how is that important? well, I will trust your judgement. If also relevant, I speak some German as well.

>2 I will have a look, thank you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-14 20:29

>proper English
>nope

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-15 10:49

>proper english
>2012

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-15 11:00

>>6

Ennit lol. Ain't nobody botherin' with that no more.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-15 19:40

Are you guys serious?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-15 20:02

>>8
I hope they are.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-15 21:56

>>9

Why? Correct grammar, in any language, is of extreme importance, sin't it?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-15 22:27

>>10
Indeed, but a decrease in the supply of people capable of proper English without a change in the demand translates to an increase in worth of such people.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-16 0:31

A preposition resource would be indeed good...

>>11

For all 3 languages I know, the uneducated mass (most of the population) speaks indeed wrongly. However, if you are to communicate to someone of a higher class, not dominating the grammar gives a bad impression.
Think about your native language. Probably (I can't state for sure, but it's normally like this), the poor uneducated people speaks in a sluggish manner, whereas the rich educated people speaks in a better structured manner.

Anyway, doesn't anyone know of a good grammar resource for those who already have a good basis?

I will be looking forward to it!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-16 16:57

A good book is any book. Read some literature and learn.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-16 18:24

You come off more like someone who wants to appear superior to others rather than someone genuinely interested in communicating ideas. You're better off just reading literature and seeing firsthand what's considered to be great writing.

If it's conversation you're worried about, I think you're taking this way too far. Learning a language and speaking a language are not about "dominating the grammar". They're about talking to other people.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-17 22:34

>>14

I just want to be sure people won't look in disdain when I speak or, more importantly, write.
I am committing uncountable mistakes, lately. Some years ago, when I got my CPE, I was much better than lately.
I haven't used English for quite some time, being internet use the exception. I would really desire to regain my technique.

>>13

I could even read literature, however, it would not be a good way to grasp some things (preposition is what concerns me the most). Moreover, many good literature I know about use archaic English. I am not in synchronization with current literature.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-17 23:04

>>15
Fitzgerald, Hemingway, and Steinbeck are fairly modern and easily approachable. For something more contemporary, try stuff from Neil Gaiman.

And this http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

If you want practice, try http://lang-8.com/ and mention that you would like people to be extra critical of your preposition use.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-18 1:05

>>16

THANK YOU

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-18 6:19

>>12
wrongly
Incorrectly.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-19 1:29

>>18

Thank you. I will try to remember that.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-27 19:19

Where can I learn thing such as:

>It's just as well
>In a daze
>Par for the course

Besides learning expressions like these ones, I would be pleased if there were ways of knowing when to use each (formal/informal speech)

Thank you, /lang/

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-30 8:44

Just since you ask

>I see my abilities being deteriorated due to the internet

Doesn't read very well in English.

>I am seeing my abilities deteriorating due to the internet
 
or

>My abilities are deteriorating due to the internet

or

>Due to the internet, my abilities have deteriorated

sounds more refined.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-30 9:46

>>21
>I am seeing my abilities deteriorating due to the internet

Wow, no. That sounds awkward as fuck.

>I am seeing my abilities deteriorate due to the internet.

or 

>I see that my abilities are deteriorating due to the internet.

Besides being unnecessary, the use of two back-to-back present participles just sounds retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-30 22:03

>>21

>I am seeing my abilities deteriorating due to the internet

Okay (in the semantic sense)

>My abilities are deteriorating due to the internet

Okay (in the semantic sense)

>Due to the internet, my abilities have deteriorated

NO! That's not what I said. My abilities are not deteriorated, they ARE DETERIORATING. Haven't yet.

>>21
>>22

How would I know what "sounds more refined"? All I know is vocabulary and grammar, nobody ever taught me "refined" English. As long as it is grammatically correct, spelled correctly and not ambiguous, I believe it to be "refined"

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-30 22:28

>>23
>As long as it is grammatically correct, spelled correctly and not ambiguous, I believe it to be "refined"

In such a case as that, you then believe the style which I am writing in right now to be refined. It is not ambiguous. But it is awkward as shit.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-31 10:44

>>24

But how would someone whose first language isn't English be able to distinguish between something "awkward" or not?
Actually, what makes a sentence "awkward", in the first place?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-31 12:17

i'm in trouble improving my english skills in writing
how can i get band 6.0 in the IELTS writing section,,,

Name: Winky 2012-07-31 12:29

I would not recommend modern books. Grammar nowadays is being deteriorated in literature. If you want to continue with a proper grammar, I would recommend older books, although the vocabulary might be to archaic.

Read Jane Austen.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-31 12:50

>>25
>But how would someone whose first language isn't English be able to distinguish between something "awkward" or not?
Experience.

>Actually, what makes a sentence "awkward", in the first place?
Unnecessary commas, for one. Fluff, unnatural wording, phrasing, syntax, word choice, etc.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-31 14:45

>>28

>Unnecessary commas

It looks like you don't understand what grammar is. There are never * unnecessary* commas. You either put the commas in the correct places or you don't. You can't simply add or remove commas at will, otherwise the meaning will change.

"I would rather eat, Peter" ≠ "I would rather eat Peter"

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-31 14:47

unnatural wording

Again, how can one knows what is "unnatural"?
How would someone whose first language isn't English be able to distinguish between something "unnatural" or not, having in view that there are no mistakes in the "unnatural" sentence?

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