Holy fuck I think I just devised a system for writing English with the Latin alphabet.
A-A
B-B
C-C
D-D
E-E
F-F
G-G
H-H
I-I
J-J
K-K
L-L
M-M
N-N
O-O
P-P
Q-Q
R-R
S-S
T-T
U-U
V-V
W-W
X-X
Y-Y
Z-Z
Same for lowercase letters.
Check this out this is fucking amazing.
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Anonymous2010-03-30 15:24
Ae dhont tink dhat vyl vurk vel.
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Anonymous2010-03-30 18:33
Obvious troll is obvious.
However, I reall þink English spelling should be reformed. Ðats it.
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Anonymous2010-03-31 0:09
>>3
OP here
I þink I agree wið þat, we need to add some sweet letters
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Anonymous2010-03-31 3:10
Deseret leads me to believe that 38 letters would work well.
...39, really, since the lack of a schwa in Deseret really bothers me.
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Anonymous2010-03-31 3:30
Ī Ē Ā Ɔ̄ Ō Ū I E A Ɔ O U Æ Å W Y H P B T D C J K G F V Þ Ð S Z Ʃ Ʒ R L M N Ŋ Ə
There you go. 39 letters fit for writing the English language.
Ðēr yū gō. 39 letrz fit fɔ̄r rætīŋ ð Īŋliʃ længwəj.
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Anonymous2010-03-31 7:35
My New English Alphabet:
Nón-nétiv prónunsíéşón óv Eŋliş result fróm ðæ kómón liŋƿistik fenómenón in wiħ nón-nétiv júzøs óv ení laŋúæģ tend tú karí ðæ intonéşón, fónolóģikal prosezis, and prónunsíéşón ruls fróm ðeir móðø tuŋ intú ðeir Eŋliş spíħ. ðé mé ælso kríét inóvétiv prónunsíéşóns få Eŋliş sánzs nót fánd in ðæ spíkø's føst laŋúæģ.
A - a as in cat
Á - ow as in cow
Å - oa, oo as in soar, door
B - b as in boat
D - d as in door
Ð - th as in the
E - e as in red
É - a as in say
F - f as in fine
G - g as in gone
Ģ - j as in jump
H - h as in house
Ħ - ch as in search
I - i as in rim
Í - ee as in see
Î - i as in right
J - y as in yes
K - k as in kiss
Ķ - kn as in knot
L - l as in laugh
Ļ - stle as in castle
M - m as in mine
N - n as in now
O - o as in home
Ó - o as in rock
Ȏ - oi as in point
P - p as in path
R - r as in run
S - s as in south
Ş - sh as in shoot
T - t as in time
U - u as in sum
Ú - u as in rude
Ů - oo as in look
V - v as in very
Ƿ - w as in walk
Z - z as in zoo
Ź - g as in genre; s as in pleasure
Þ - th as in thing
Æ - a as in car
Œ - o as in boat (but only comes after a, otherwise just o)
Ø - ir as in sir, er as in nerd
1. If it's about one letter, one phoneme, wipe out Latin alphabet and make a Germanic alphabet.
If you are going to use Latin, use digraphs - easier and don't fuck with compatibility issues.
2. /Vr/ groups are tricky, you need to accomodate BBC English (wipes out /r/) and General American (r-colored vowel).
3. It is not needed to render /aj/ as <i>, like tradicional orthography does, but I think it works somehow - it's related to the short-i.
4. Do not treat schwa as a phoneme, all dialects have different neutralization tactics.
My bet - all the examples are in oldspelling.
P T K - <Pill>, <Till>, <Kill> - don't care about <Pit> and <sPit> difference, they're the same phoneme.
B D G - <Bet>, <DuDe>, <Get> - <g> only in hard (Give) form, never in soft (Gim). BTW, this corrects an error: English got this bad spelling habit from French, but it's not in English history softening of /g/ and /k/.
F TH S SH - <Fish>, <Sir>, <Short> - <s> is /s/ (hard), not like <eaSy>. EXCEPTION: plural and genitive are marked with <s> always, even if it's realized as <z>. This include potatos, tomatos, dishs... for TH, see below.
V DH Z ZH - <Viel>, <Zebra>, <Genre>. ZH is needed, not only for pleazhure - this phoneme was always hidden in oldspelling. DH is another hidden phoneme - TH is as <THink>, DH is as <THe>.
M N NH - no problem here. NH stands for old NG (as you can see, all the digraphs are using H).
EXCEPTION: since English doesn't allow /ng/, always /ŋg/, in words where the <g> is pronounced use NG and not *NHG.
CH J - compound phonemes, but work as unities in English. Same as oldspelling, but "machine" does NOT use CH anymore.
KH - for the Scottish dialect that renderizes this differently - as in Loch/Lokh.
L - nothing new. "Dark L" is just alophone, doesn't need marking.
X - <x> is the new <h>. <h> is used now only for digraphs - use xouse instead of house. Old "egzample" and "taksi" never needed X anyway...
[+ continue... now, for the vowels...]
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Anonymous2010-03-31 9:42
The English vowels are a shit in the ass to make a decent, dialectal-agnostic spelling. However, it can be done. I'll use the lexical sets from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_set:
Since English has too much vowels, every phonemic vowel corresponds to a digraph. This can be worked around with umlauts and acutes, so I'll list both alternatives:
>>7 A - a as in cat ... Æ - a as in car
Why did you switch these? All your letters are badly chosen. Iotation and rounding should be indicated with digraphs, not with yet more letters.
Eŋliş
What kind of mushmouth loses the g? It at least needs to be "Eŋgliş", but having a special symbol for the velar nasal, which is after all allophonic with /n/, is retarded. I suppose it could be useful in words like "sing", but it makes more sense just to add an extra g in the few words that require it: "fingger".
>>10 2. /Vr/ groups are tricky, you need to accomodate BBC English (wipes out /r/) and General American (r-colored vowel).
No they aren't. You just write the r and let the dialect take care of the rest.
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Anonymous2010-03-31 23:39
>>17
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
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Anonymous2010-04-01 0:45
>>16
>Write something with this
Rait suemthienh wieth dhies
OR
Rät sumthinh with dhis
I didn't made digraphs for ALL the lexical set, I intended to work more in the consonants... feel free to add.
>>17
>Why did you switch these? All your letters are badly chosen. Iotation and rounding should be indicated with digraphs, not with yet more letters.
I think one or two new letters OR umlaut use would be good to English. However, I agree that >>7 adds too much letters, to the point that would be better stop using Latin and using Shavian [maybe?] script.
Doubling <g> is a nice trick, I liked it.
>No they aren't. You just write the r and let the dialect take care of the rest.
Some dialects neutralize the vowel and make just a generic "sillabic R". Some dialects wipe out /r/ completely but the vowels are still distinct.
I said that because I get really pissed with people thinking "just write the R" while others "just write the vowel!". I would say "write BOTH and shut up".
>>18
>I don't think you know what you are talking about.
He does.
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Anonymous2010-04-01 4:05
>>19 write BOTH
What I meant of course, not imagining that anyone would drop the vowel (and I am a member of the syllabic R glorious master race).
Doubling <g> is a nice trick, I liked it.
That's how Pinyin rolls, by the by. "Zhōngguó."
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Рашн2010-04-03 10:26
Ай тхинк тхэт инглиш спикерз шуд юз модэрн рашн элфэбет.
Ит'л би бетта фо олл!
Using Cyr to write English does work, lots and lots of vowel signs. Я Е Ï Ё Ю can be reused to, like, "I", "bEt", "bEEf", "cAUGHt" and "gOOse", for example.
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Anonymous2010-04-04 16:25
English should be written in a modified version of han'geul
>>31
English has NO "vowel sign" because it's not a script, it's a language.
Latin alphabet has 6 (A E I O U Y) "vowel signs" - i.e., letters commonly associated with vowel sounds.
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Anonymous2010-04-06 22:29
English has no vowel signs because english NEVER pronunce vowels the same way.
It's ridiculous how the same vowel has so many different ways of pronunciating them, makes no fucking sense