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日本語 Japanese Ask Questions Thread 3

Name: Anonymous 2010-03-01 18:11

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Japanese Ask Questions Thread2
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Name: Anonymous 2010-12-29 16:02

To everyone learning japanese:
I found this site today, it works great for beginners to memorize the kana

http://www.easyjapanese.org/kanaquiz.html

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-29 17:47

>>601
Better way is just to write them.
Find sentences written in romaji, and write them in kana. First Hiragana, then the same sentence again in katakana, or vice versa.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-30 10:31

>>602
That would work well too, but if you are completely new to Japanese, this site is really helpful. It even shows you how to write the characters correctly

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-30 12:25

>>603
Just learn the basic tendencies for the stroke orders. Don't need to memorize the order for each one. For instance, の, め, ぬ, and あ are only slightly different for あ, you write ✝ then の and you get あ. Learn tendencies, not orders. Takes a little bit longer than initially learning the orders, but it pays off, especially when memorizing kanji for the JLPT.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-30 15:18

Quick question

いきよ or it might be いくよ

Does this mean "Here it comes!" or "Heads up!" or something like that.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-30 15:58

or いきを、いきは、いくを、いくは

I can't tell... But I'm actually thinking its towards いきは

I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about...

ex. you're about to throw something at somebody else

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-30 16:30

I'm not sure if the grammar of this Japanese sentence is correct:

「銀行で財布を忘れた訳がないだろう?ていうか、可能性があるけどきっと家にもって来たと覚えている。」

"There's no way I left my wallet at the bank. I mean, it's possible but I definitely remember bring it home"

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-31 4:46

>>607
つぎをなおせば、文法的には正しいです。

銀行で → 銀行に (「……に……を忘れる」がふつうの言い方です。)
きっと → たしかに(「きっと」は、おもに未来のことに使います。)

ただし、すこし不自然な文です。わたしなら、次のように書きます。

「銀行に財布を忘れたはずがないよ。だって、家までもって来たのを、ちゃんと覚えているから。」

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-31 14:19

明けましておめでとうございます。
本年もよろしくお願い致します。

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-01 20:05

明けましておめでとう皆
I'm just going day by day grinding my kanji cards, but I wanted to get back into memorizing vocab on the side as well... My problem is I completely forgot what the site was I used.

It's a very popular .tv site that has a lot of different Japanese learning programs on it but I can't for the life of me find it again. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-01 21:02

>>610
My favorite is an app called 'Japanese' for iPhone/ iPad. it has 162011 entries, 12734 kanji, several other features that you could look up if interested, and flash cards that you can use in customizable vocab lists, or preset ones, such as grade level, JLPT, etc. With the JLPT lists, there's N5-N1 and you can sort by Kanji, word, or all. quite handy, especially with the flash cards.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-01 22:37

>>610
Smart.fm?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-01 22:45

I'm thinking of investing in buying an iTouch or iPhone. Are there really good aps for learning Japanese? And for all different difficulties?

I'd really like to  have something to have on the go to make up for wasted time.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-01 23:22

>>613
SO KAIWAII XD

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 0:39

>>613
This is the best. I think it costs about $15, but it's extremely worth it. I have had it for 2 1/2 years now and I use it almost daily.
http://www.codefromtokyo.com/japanese

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 0:50

>>612
Oh herp derp... not .tv... it was indeed Smart.fm

Thanks a lot mate. FOR SCIENCE.

Name: Albus Dumblefuck 2011-01-02 13:12

Ok damn it,
i don't have time to scroll and read right this moment,
so might you all list me the BEST online materials (e-books, sites, etc.)

for learning Japanese ?

i have time now after my semester finals are over,
and id like to use it, taking classes ain't my gig since i learn best alone with my own system,
i just need detailed and well made materials to begin and carry one,

so
anyone ?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 13:13

>>617

*carry on

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 13:19

>>617
Smart.fm
Kanjidamage.com
Torrent the Genki books
alljapaneseallthetime.com < read and use for references

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 13:21

>>619


ah thanks,
anything else if i may ask ?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 13:28

>>620
http://www.readthekanji.com/
I know you requested online materials, but you should also invest in a hardcopy of a colloquial dictionary. Also it's old and probably quite hard to find, but try to get a book called "Practical Japanese" by Naganuma and Mori (1962). It was published in Japan for people trying to learn Japanese. It is extremely good at explaining various hard-to-grasp aspects of the JP language

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 13:47

>>620

1. learn kana (1-2weeks)
2. learn kanji (2-4 months)
3. learn sentences (eternity)

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 14:08

>>622
| 2. learn kanji (2-4 months)
For how many kanji??

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 14:13

>>623
I did the AllJapaneseAllTheTime way so around 2015 i think. In that he recommends Hesig which is what I did and I'm sure a lot of others did as well but it isn't for everyone.

Just learn the joyo kanji.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-02 19:23

I still recommend grinding kanji with kanjidamage, I think it's more entertaining and easier to make flashcards with it.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-04 0:21

>>34
Why would you only want to learn how to speak Japanese in a polite way, you're hindering yourself in your studies and you will also come across as a pushover lil bitch.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-04 4:24

>>626
>>34

Cool answer for March post, bro.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-04 19:19

>>624
2042 kanji, I believe.
>>623
It's not as impossible as you might think. I've gotten down 1100 in just over a month, but I've kind of halted for the past few weeks due to RSI issues in my arm (too much writing with a bad pen). If you follow the right methods (i.e. RTK), your biggest limitation should be the strain on your arm.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 0:05

Feel free for hating me for saying this, but one of the reasons (outside of the more legitimate ones) I'm learning Japanese is so that I can read (and perhaps eventually assist in translating, should I eventually become that fluent) untranslated visual novels.

Considering the fact that the only learning I'll have done by the end of January is the completion of Remembering the Kanji 1, roughly how long (in years) do I have until I can (with the help of a dictionary) read a visual novel?

It's not a major goal, but it's kind of a progress post I'd like to aim for if someone could set some sort of realistic time frame for me.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 0:15

>>629
>visual novel
Just say manga

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 0:16

>>629
Answered my own question with a Google Search. According to this post, it'll take two years:
http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-2-years-time-step-by-step-guide/

I personally disagree with the method (learning from visual novels only, as opposed to real life, will logically lead to you thinking and writing like an anime-character or an otaku) but will probably incorporate it into my study after the first year working with Core2k and live action shows, movies, and news broadcasts (and hopefully newspapers) in Anki.

If there's any other general advice that the more experienced folk here could give me, it would be much appreciated. I've been trying to scan through some of these threads, but there are many posts. I'm currently following the AJATT method, more or less (except I'm keeping the RTK stories on the back side of the card instead of on the front side).

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 1:23

>>630
Visual novels and manga are different. A Visual novel is also commonly known as an eroge.
>>631
Anyway, if you're really dedicated, you can do it in a year. Start memorizing kanji from the very beginning.
And also, that whole "watch anime and you'll become an anime character" is fucking stupid, all they do in anime and visual novels is use casual speech a lot of the time, just don't fucking act and you'll talk like a normal person.

I also recommend watching nicovideo.jp broadcasts.

AND FUCK HEISIG. KANJIDAMAGE.COM OR BUST

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 3:15

>>632
I suppose it should seem fairly obvious when they're talking like a crazy/cutesy person or whether they're talking casually, in the end, anyway. I still plan to mix things up, though.

Kanjidamage.com seems pretty great in comparison to RTK1, but I've already completed over a 1000 using RTK1. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU... It would slow me down by at least a few weeks if I were to change now, negating most of the benefits. There doesn't seem to be an offline (preferably Anki) option, either. I'll be sure to recommend it to others as I encounter them, though.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 11:21

Good man. And I've actually seen someone on /jp/ I think that was making an Anki deck for kanjidamage as he went along... It'll be finished when he is I guess. I make all my cards by hand.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 16:34

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-05 23:21

ちょっと特定な質問がありますが誰か教えてくれれば助かります。

私は二年間だけ地元の大学で日本語を勉強して来ました。それにしても今年の秋に日本の南山大学で留学する予定があります。まだ大学が申込書を認めない可能性があるなんですけど名古屋と関係がある情報を調べ始めました。調べている間に愛知県の方言のことについて習いました。個人的に関西弁しか経験したことがなくて日本の標準語に慣れているのでちょっと悩んでいます。知る人がいるなら、名古屋弁の重要なポイントは何でしょうか?別の言葉で、名古屋弁は普通の日本語と違うところは何ですか?名古屋で住む一般人が東京弁をよく使います?どっちらが大抵使いますかなどなど。

よろしくお願いします。

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-06 4:37

名古屋に友人がいて、何度か行ったことがあります。

年をとった一部の人たちは、強い名古屋弁で話すので、聞き取るのが少し難しいです。また名古屋人同士で話すときは、名古屋弁を使うことがあります。

しかし、ほとんどの人は、標準語を理解し、標準語に近い言葉で話します。とくに、外国人が相手の場合には、標準語で話すだろうと思います。

また南山大学は、名古屋以外からも多くの学生が来ます。そのため、標準語が使えれば、不自由はしないでしょう。

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-06 10:07

Does anyone knows good interactive grammar tests for Japanese?

Even if something simple like this
http://www.englishgrammarsecrets.com/couldhave/exercise2.html

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-06 18:10

>>638
Woah that actually takes me a bit to figure out.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-06 18:43

>>636
名古屋じゃありませんが、私は日本に住む日本人です。

日本の大学は地元の人間ばかり入学するわけではなく、隣県はじめ全国から受験します。
ご存知かもしれませんが、名古屋は愛知県の県庁所在地であり愛知の中では最も都会です。
名古屋弁と愛知弁は似ている言葉もありますが別です。
また、東京弁は標準語じゃありません。名古屋で東京弁を話す人は希少です。
愛知の方言を勉強より、標準語に慣れ関西弁も理解できるという貴方の経験が日本での生活を助けてくれることでしょう。
入学が認められるといいですね。

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