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Did I miss something?

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 18:55

I just recently discovered the text boards and /lang/ has quickly become my favorite. I see a lot of things that say Amerifags can't pronounce anything right. Have I missed something or are there Americans that can pass off as natives? I myself am taking German and though I don't know a whole lot of German, my Berlin-native teacher has commented several times that my pronounciation is either on par or very close to a native German's. Am I special or is it just poking at retard Americans?

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 19:41

>>1
just poking at retard Americans?
Welcome to the Internet. This is what happens when you let non-Americans post whatever they want.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-13 19:47

>>2
Yeah, I guess. I mean there are some seriously fucking stupid Americans, and I myself have met them claiming they have a native accent, but they have some dumbass pronounciation set in stone that makes me cringe. There are still some of us who can say shit correctly. Apparently I'm one of them, if a Berliner with a degree in German and English and a teacher's degree has anything to say about it.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 4:34

Teachers and native speakers will often compliment you and sugarcoat their opinions just to be polite and not to discourage you, or because they don't want to strain their personal relationship with you.
Basically, if you haven't spent several hundred/thousand hours listening to German and practicing especially the sounds your native language doesn't have (like the ch etc.), it's very improbable that your pronunciation even remotely resembles that of a native. If you have, you probably sound pretty good, clearly comprehensible with at most a few slight nuances in your accent being recognizable as foreign, if at all.
That your teacher is actually German is a big plus, that way you at least don't get taught some made up language that's somewhere between English and German, as it is the case with most language classes.

If you want, you could upload a sound file of yourself reading a German text for a minute or so to Mediafire, then I (or some other German) can provide you with an honest evaluation of it.

Also if you meant http://dis.4chan.org/read/lang/1246940150/ -- half the people in that thread (including the OP) are complete retards, don't take it too seriously.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 4:41

>>1
While I don't mean to discourage you (I too have studied German and other languages in order to better myself) I'm afraid you aren't anything special.  Mimicking accents is easy with enough exposure to a given language.

The reason people around here think a majority of English speakers suck is because this is 4chan.  If it wasn't about what language you speak it would be about your politics, or your favorite movie, or which videogame system you own.

Keep studying.  Deutsche ist am besten!

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 7:08

>>1
Yea man keep studying. The German people are always quite amazed when a foreigner manages to speak proper German, because a lot of people think that this is highly impossible for a non-native speaker.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 13:02

>>4

half the people in that thread (including the OP) are complete retards, don't take it too seriously.

Actually you should, it's a valid complaint.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-14 19:38

Ok yeah. I know I have a weird voice, and everyone thinks their own voice sounds stupid. Anyway, OP here with two German pangrams I recorded:

http://www.mediafire.com/?vewxztywmzn

http://www.mediafire.com/?xtxwiyz3boz

I know I don't have a perfect accent, but to be honest it sounds pretty good to me.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-15 4:05

>>8
Is the first "Zwölf Bucks can't verjagen fickt der quer über den grossen Sylteteich"?
The second is way better, but you should practice the Umlaute and the sch instead of just leaving them out.
I think it's nowhere near native, but you can definitely get there.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-15 5:05

>>8
>but to be honest it sounds pretty good to me.
If you're the only person you're trying to impress, ugh... GZ.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-15 18:17

>>9
Well I didn't really examine it. I recorded it twice after having very rarely had to pronounce X or Y. We were never taught exactly how 'y' sounds in German, but I'm coming to the assumption that it's more u than i.
I was feeling a bit groggy yesterday too. I'll re-record them and see how good I can get them, as people have varying levels of intelligibility I suppose.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-15 18:25

OP here again. I re-recorded them, and I suppose after having heard and said them I looked at how I said them the first time, and re-worked it. I said the first one slower and it sounds much better personally.
Also, I don't know how you're supposed to say Sylvia in German. Zylfia? Sounds too bizarre.

Anyway:
Sylvia wagt quick den Jux bei Pforzheim
- http://www.mediafire.com/?mzbuanmymz0
Franz jagt im komplett verwahrlosten Taxi quer durch Bayern
- http://www.mediafire.com/?gnhekwywjf0
Victor jagt zwölf Boxkämpfer quer über den großen Sylter Deich
- http://www.mediafire.com/?baqagnjziuh
Falsches Üben von Xylophonmusik quält jeden größeren Zwerg
- http://www.mediafire.com/?myowy3ko2n0

Looking on them, I'm probably out of practice considering no one I talk to regularly can speak any German, so most of the practice I get is actually during the year when there are students about.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-16 5:34

>>12
Sylvia is pronounced as Sülwia
First on is good, a little bit stiff though.
In the second one you pronounced komplett as complete, try to leave your tongue on the lower jaw for the german ple.
In the third its Boxkampfer instead of Boxkämpfer and you changed the meaning of the sentence by changing the syntax, but you used the right conjugation.
In the last one you just left out the Ü and Xylophon is pronounced as kzülofon.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-16 18:45

>>13
Thanks. I know obviously I'm not gonna have a fluent accent, but I believe that's about as close as I can get with having no native Germans around.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-16 18:52

>>12
>We were never taught exactly how 'y' sounds in German
Exactly like an U-Umlaut in most words. The only exception I can think of is when it's in front of another vowel, like in the name 'Yasmin', where it "melts" with the 'a' into a sound like 'ja' (saying the u-Umlaut very quickly in those words gives more or less the same result, actually.)
I'd say you're very good for a beginner. You do get at least one kind of 'ch' right (the ch in Deich doesn't sound the same as in Tuch or Bach, for example), which tends to be very difficult for Americans. You get the 'r' right too, although you stress it very heavily, but don't worry about that too much.
You don't, however, make a difference between the O, U and their respective Umlauts. Here's how to make them:
for 10 seconds or so, make the sound of a German 'e'. While humming that sound, very slowly move your mouth towards the position of the 'u/o' sound, respectively. Somewhere in the middle, you should be producing the U/O-Umlaut sound. Then check with a recording spoken by a native whether you got it right; vorleser.net offers free German audio books spoken by professional voice actors.

Also, your voice doesn't sound weird at all.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-17 7:17

>>15
I sort of assumed it was pronounced as more of a 'u' due to learning how to pronounce words in other European languages, namely finnish, as 'y' is very commonly employed as a 'u'.
As I read this I tried this, and went to a few explanatory sites and realized that I have always been able to do these sounds, but I'm probably getting careless considering I haven't had to speak much. I'll link some sound bits of me saying ö and ü. I can also do the soft ch like in ich, but I must have rushed it. I know that open vowels get the hard ch where narrow vowels get the soft one. I'll post some more sound-bits tomorrow. Danke schön /lang/.

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