hi,
i need to learn japanese as quickly as possible. do you think its possible to master the 80000 chinese characters in 20 years? how long did it take you to master those?
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Anonymous2009-02-15 18:48
Yeah could do it in less. Much less, but thats realistic. Figure 2 years of continous study to get a conversation grasp, 10 for full mastery.
This is my 4th year of JP
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Anonymous2009-02-15 23:34
Sorry if I get this incorrect, but from what I understand, you only need to know 1000-2000 kanji to get by, not all 80,000.
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Anonymous2009-02-16 3:33
OP is probably trolling but I'll answer anyway.
Unless you aspire to become a kanji professor, 3000 kanji should be more than enough for you.
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Anonymous2009-02-16 3:34
hey thanks, oh well some websites said there are 80000 characters but I'm not sure if you need all of them...I guess if you only want to read comics or so you will probably not need all of them but i'm being sent there by my company and will actually live there. wikipedia also talks about 2000 characters only, that would be great, should be possible to master those in about 5-10 years I guess? but then again they also mention another 3000 characters for names and a couple thousand more for advanced topics? very confusing
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Anonymous2009-02-16 4:50
You can get by in virtually any situation if you know the 2000 kanji. Some learners learn them all in a few years and others never reach that level.
As for native speakers, most adults know all the 2000 kanji they learn in Japanese class and at least recognize a few more hundreds used in common phrases, famous figures, major places and so on. Beyond this level, the kanji they know differs greatly from person to person.
For example, math or physics students are probably familiar with 冪, which means involution, but others may not recognize it. When you start living in Japan, neighborhoods or your Japanese friends may use some rare kanji so you'll know them. I think the 3000+ for advanced topics are the collective number of this kind of kanji, and no one knows all those obscure characters unless it's his hobby or something. It's like no one knows all English words in an unabridged dictionary.
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Anonymous2009-02-16 11:55
I know adults who still learn them. I also know guys whose kids know more than they do now because they forgot a lot of bullshit kanji they learned in their university days and have streamlined it down to what is essential for their lives.
Start aiming for progressing in levels of the JLPT, then worry about learning more as they come up.
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Anonymous2009-02-16 12:15
I've passed JLPT1 twice and my kanji knowledge is minimal, so stop worrying about fucking ideographs and learn the language instead.
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Anonymous2009-02-16 14:21
You can easily learn the Jouyou Kanji (the about 2000 everyday used kanji) in less than a year, even months if you know how to do it and study it well.
If you aren't a dumbass and lazy piece of shit, if you started now, 20 years from now you should be like a native. You can get fluent in 5 years.
I've been studying only about a year and I'm JLPT3 passable level, possibly a bit higher with various grammar points I know and etc.
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Anonymous2009-02-16 14:27
I know it's a little off-topic, but what's with usage the of hanzi in Chinese? I recently picked it in my class, so I'm wondering how many of them I'll really need besides the program.