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Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 7:15

Okay, so on July 26th I'm going to Spain. I stopped learning Spanish in year 8 (when I was about 14) so to say my Spanish is rusty would be a bit of an understatement.

Either way, I want to try to learn as much Spanish as possible until then. I am a pretty fast learner (for example I can memorise about 500 kanji a week, and have started learning useful bits of Spanish vocab such as food, objects, places, etc) and not one to take shortcuts usually, but I have plenty free time until then anyway, so I don't mind about learning declensions etc. properly.

So, can anyone reccomend a plan or .. a breakneck 5 week learnfest that I can take? Any resources or paricular textbooks that I can steam through too? The vocab shouldn't be too much of a problem, I just want to make sure I have the grammar under by belt, with all verb forms.

Oh and I'd rather not buy any textbooks, just online resources/pdfs/rapishits if you may. I got a Spanish dictionary and that's all I plan to buy.

GO!

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-06 4:03

>>27
Can't help you with online grammar resources unfortunately, but I can tell you that buying a paper book for grammar reference is actually worth it. Mine was only €10 or so when I bought it (it's in German, so giving you the title wouldn't be so useful), and I've often appreciated being able to look something up I wasn't sure about without having to go to the nearest computer.
I second >>29's notion of a textbook (although a a good online resource would work just as well, of course, if someone knows one), but try getting one that only teaches a bare minimum of vocab and focuses on grammar.
If you're not good at it yet, you should also work a little on your listening comprehension before you depart. Try watching some movies with Spanish audio and Spanish subtitles first, later drop the subtitles. Here's some animu in Spanish:
http://www.frozen-layer.com/descargas/23998
http://www.frozen-layer.com/descargas/24161 (both Chobits)
http://www.frozen-layer.com/descargas/1944 (Paprika)

>>28
Das ist nicht schlecht, aber eigentlich auch nicht sooo etwas besonderes, nicht zuletzt weil Englisch und Deutsch ja auch verwandt sind. Aber du solltest dich nicht zu sehr darauf konzentrieren, Wörter zu lernen. "Flashcards" und ähnliche Methoden sind okay für Dinge wie unregelmäßige Verben, aber im allgemeinen hast du mehr davon, wenn du (mit offenem Wörterbuch im Browser) Medien in der Sprache konsumierst und dich bei Gelegenheit in der Sprache unterhältst (genug deutsche Foren und einen Chan gibt es ja). Denn um (dich?) aus einem anderen Thread zu zitieren: "man kann Worte kennen, aber wenn er nicht genug Uebung bekommt, in der Sprache zu sprechen, machen die Worte nichts."

>>29
Are you so insecure about yourself that you need to assure ME that I'm a retard?
lol retard YOU FAIL BECAUSE I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG
You were the one who said exactly that in >>21 and started calling everyone retards.
Neither me nor >>18 said it was the "right" method (ok, I did imply it later, mainly to troll you).
I was just genuinely surprised that you still don't get what this whole shit is even about, and do not notice your own ignorance despite me trying to show it to you. You're still talking as if people would just read that damn book and then stop learning. Anyway, you obviously do not only not know how it works, but not even what it is (while I have tried the traditional system as well), so discussing methods for learning kanji with you wouldn't be useful to me.

>Inferiority complex, ahoy.
Well, I guess the reason I continue this thread really is that it motivates me. Especially your comment about it being a "slap in the face" when someone else uses a different method got me thinking.
You see, if it really were like you said, I should be the one offended here, because the reason I can even have this conversation is that I did not rely on methods people like you deem "proper" when I learned English, while watching everyone else in my school fail at it. And the way I'm learning Japanese now is much same one I used for English and other languages, with some necessary adjustments of course.
But I do not rage (like you do) about your insults of "not learning languages properly" and therefore being "retarded"; Because I know my way works, I have proven its usefulness to myself, and on top of that it's even fun in itself.
If your shit would actually work, you'd be content with it. Instead, you are so insecure about it that you started insulting everyone in this thread as soon as someone only mentioned the buzz-word "Heisig," which affirms me of being on the right track, or at least not the wrong one.

And about Heisig... his books are only a part of my way, especially since kanji are only a part of Japanese, but also because learning about the kanji themselves will never stop.
What it says in the book can be broken down to 4 very simple ideas, I would say. By the time I picked it up, I had already figured out 3 of them on my own while studying kanji using the traditional way, but didn't apply them as consequently and systematically as it is written there. So as soon as I read the introduction, I thought to myself "this shit makes sense," and was completely convinced by the end of the second lesson. That's the whole reason why I use it.
Regardless of what you think, I do not study Japanese, or anything else in my spare time, to "slap you in the face" or to boast about it (nobody around me even knows I'm studying Japanese), I am doing it purely for my own enjoyment.

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