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日語 Japanese Ask Questions Thread2 質問

Name: Anon 2008-03-22 1:37

If you have a question about the language, ask it and fellow 4channers might see it and answer it for you.

Japanese - Ask questions thread
http://dis.4chan.org/read/lang/1174719097/l50

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-14 17:27

>>920
Well do a calligraphy class.
You'll be amazed how many variants the Chinese characters have. I regularly encounter some unknown to me variant characters when reading older books, even those of early 20th have some strange points.
By unknown variants I mean characters I manage to recognize but see such a shape for the first time, like rearranging 臣 to a vertical combination of 中+心+一.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-14 20:42

>>919
rather? It is the same.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-15 9:21

>>921
I'd like to learn chinese characters well enough to do that.  I don't why but I love chinese characters.  After the ~3500 in Japan I'm going to learn all 6000 in use in Taiwan (IIRC 80% are shared in Japan) and then maybe, *maybe*, learn the 2000 or so simplified characters used in Beijing (many of those I've heard are illogical, stupid and not worth learning unless you plan on travelling to Beijing).

Currently at maybe 1000 recognition and 650+ written from memory.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-15 10:21

Is there a good resource for colloquial phrase usage somewhere? I'm having trouble with stuff like "しゅっとしやがって" ( last panel in http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/12542/12 ). I've pieced together that it's probably

    しゅっとしてる (http://ameblo.jp/kansai-ekotoba/entry-10004150208.html)
-> -やがる
-> -て

but I'm having trouble getting a grasp on what the phrase actually means in context.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-15 14:18

Right now I've memorized hiragana, then I'm going to move onto katakana. After I finish that, I'm thinking of getting this book

http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Japanese-Vol-Yoko-Hasegawa/dp/0804835047/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

And the second volume of it right after. It has good reviews...but for some reason I'm a little iffy with amazon reviews. Anyway, what do you guys think? Any better alternatives? Or is this the best?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-16 10:24

>>925
I don't know that book, but you can't go wrong with Genki.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-17 23:28

I studied abroad in Japan for 1 year. What really advanced my Japanese ability was not any amount of studying in books, but chatting with my friends in Japan online. By chatting with my friends, I would think of something I wanted to say in English, and then try to translate that into Japanese. By doing so, I learned grammar and words relevant to actually conversing in the language, and I very quickly became able to speak casually in conversations.

I would really recommend maybe trying to converse with people on Japanese message boards, or finding a Japanese person to talk with online. I've met some Chinese on Omegle.com that want to practice their English, and I can practice my Chinese with them.

I really think that chatting is the best way to learn, because you learn things that you're interested in (thus retain it easier), you learn how to say things that you would actually say in real life, and it really helps you start to think in the language.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-18 3:10

>>925
This is what they use at Berkeley. I used/liked it.

Genki is the standard, I haven't really looked at it.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-20 5:08

revive

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-21 7:46

REVIVE

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-21 8:11

生き返れ

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-21 22:22

REVIVE!

Name: ee3 2010-01-22 4:00

測試回帖不頂帖功能

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 5:37

How do you say "I want to rape her"?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 5:47

>>934
彼女をレイプしたいです。

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 5:54

>>935
And how do you say "I want to have consensual sex with her" and "I want to cuddle her softly"?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 11:53

>>936

"I want to have consensual sex with her"
同意のもとに彼女とヤりたいです。

"I want to cuddle her softly"
彼女をやさしく抱きたいです。

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 12:25

>>937
Grea, that's all the Japanese I need to know for now.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 13:22

>>935
>>937
彼女をレイプしたいです。
同意のもとに彼女とヤりたいです。
彼女をやさしく抱きたいです。

Note: If you've only done Japanese 101 AND/OR have no sense of Japanese beyond the so-called "textbook Japanese", don't answer questions in /lang/'s Japanese questions threads.

Just... don't.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 13:53

>>939
What are the correct sentences then?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 15:07

>>940
They are correct per se, it's just that they don't sound natural.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 17:25

>>941
So how can they sound more natural?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-22 20:17

>>939
Note: If you took these questions seriously, don't answer questions in /lang/'s Japanese questions threads.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-23 1:06

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-23 5:39

I know this sounds kind of stupid, but I'm having trouble pronouncing Japanese r's. Whenever I try to pronounce them I can't stop rolling my tongue. I have no idea why...I mean I try to pronounce the r's like they're in between l and r...but I still can't stop rolling them. My English r's are always normal. In fact, I never roll my tongue ever. I have no idea how I'm even capable of rolling my r's at all.

This is really frustrating me. Any ideas on how I can remedy this? I keep practicing, but maybe some specific techniques will help more?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-23 13:57

>>945
It's alright to roll them.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-23 15:20

>>945
Just say l in all cases.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-23 18:57

>>946
I thought you're never supposed to roll your r's in Japanese? At least that's what I've been told.

>>947
Are you sure? I mean eventually I'll have to learn how to pronounce the r correctly, right?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-23 21:19

>>948
Did a Japanese person tell you that?

They occasionally roll their tongues, especially when drunk and want to sound cool like the yakuza

I personally roll my Japanese R's often when it's combined with 'i'

so when I say arigatou, you'll hear a roll out of me most likely.
I asked a Japanese before how close my Japanese R's are and he said he couldn't distinguish mine from a native, but he could have  been full of it.

I learned how to roll my tongue through Japanese. The fact that you are rolling tells me you're doing it right. Just don't roll it more than once like in Spanish. You can try and cut the rolls out, I don't think you need to revolutionize how you say R because it sounds like you're getting the hang of it already, you just need maybe a minor change if at all

I'm not a native though, so take it for what it's worth..

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-24 6:05

50 more until closing time!

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-24 7:16

>>948
Roll your R's, or say L, the Japanese won't actually hear a difference.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-24 9:00

>>951
Are you serious?
An L sounds completely different from a rolled R...

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-24 10:54

>>952
Not for the japs. Much like chinese differ tones and aspiration, while americunts can't hear a difference. In english you can aspirate everything or nothing and it wouldn't really matter, at best people would notice you speak a bit "oddly" but that's all. Same with swapping r/l in japanese.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-24 15:07

Are there any helpfull sites for learning japanese online?

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-24 21:43

>>954
I don't know much besides:

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
http://www.hellodamage.com/kanjidicks/main.htm

It would be better if you studied from textbooks as well.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-25 1:37

revive

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-25 3:14

>>952
That's because it's the Japanese rolled R not the Spanish rolled R

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-25 3:18

Is there any respectable dictionary online to look up Japanese sound words? Not talking about those terrible sites which only have like 100 listed. Like 擬声語/擬態語/擬音語 (honestly I forget which is which)

cause when I see stuff like ゴオオオオ
or オーム in the background I have no way of understanding it.

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-25 3:52

Name: Anonymous 2010-01-25 6:33


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