Hungarian is a language isolate

I'm sick of jealous people who want to take away the uniqueness of the Hungarian language by inaccurately linking it with other languages it has little to do with such as Finnish or Turkish. The most common thing they cite are a handful of similar words and "vowel harmony". Vowel harmony means a different vowel in the suffix is used depending on the earlier vowels that are in the word. The vowels Hungarian, Finnish, and Turkish use are completely different.

Other languages that has been unfairly categorized into a language family are Albanian and Armenian, the Indo-European family.

>>36
why would you say something if it wasn't related?

>>26
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>>37
Actually, in the past there's been some discussion among linguists about an "Altaic" language family that encompasses, among others, Turkic languages, Mongolic and possibly Korean and Japanese. Some went even further and tried to link their mostly unproven language family to Uralic languages, which Finnish is a part of, apparently based on phonology, a few possible cognates and faint similarities in grammar, which doesn't appear to be of Indo-European origin.

Of course nobody could ever prove the existence of either language family well enough to be accepted by modern linguists; if the languages ever shared a common ancestry, it existed so long ago it's pretty much drowned out by small changes that took place over tens of thousands of years.

>>37
Prove it.

It's me OP. I guess I was being kind of an asshole when I said Hungarian is a language isolate. I just got pissed off after reading the believed etymology for several words in Hungarian are Slavic (when only like 1 Slavic langauge has a similar word, not all of them) which pissed me off.

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Anyone who isn't a faggy liberal who wants a united world government can see that Hungarian is a language isolate.

Actually, it's beyond any doubt that Hungarian is related to Finnish, Estonian and Sami languages. Questioning this is simply not viable. Now about Turkish (or more precisely whether or not the Fino-Ugric languages belong to the Altaic family) that's debatable.

>>39
Nobody, except the OP.

hungarian has as much relation with english as with finnish-estonian-khanty-mansi. i can provide a list of similar words if you want.

People get confused and insecure when they see white Europeans speaking a non Indo-European language. They haven't got around to Basque which is an ancient white language but they've managed to categorize Hungarian which is also an ancient white language in a family that the nearest related language is like 2000 miles away.

>>49

lol all those English words are probably loan words.

>>51

and the similar Khanty-Mansi-Finnish-Estonian words aren't loanwords?

>>52

lol not just similar words but vowel harmony.

>>53

do you know what vowel harmony is? i hate citing wikipedia but look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_harmony it is hardly indicative of language relation. also Hungarian is supposed to be an Ugric language not a Finno one. So why don't Khanty and Mansi have it too?

>>54

lol why would anyone be biased in something as trivial like linguistics and etymology?

>>55

because they're not trivial and nations have revolved their ideologies, patriotism, nationalism and other things around linguistic and etymological theories including Adolf Hitler.

>implying the only thing Hungarian shares with those languages is fucking vowel harmony

lern2linguistics

>>52
Not loanwords. They're words with the same proto-uralic origin that happened to evolve differently due to geographic separation. As an example, Hungarian didn't import the Finnish word for fish (neither Finnish imported the Hungarian word for fish) but rather they share a common proto-uralic ancestor. On the other hand, Hungarian did import (loan) the word Televízió from English (even though the word is a mix of the Greek "tele" and the Latin "vision" it was first coined in the English language and then loaned to most other languages).

You guys are playing on easy mode. Try proving whether Chuvash is Finno-Ugric or Turkic.

HUNGARIAN FINNISH TURKISH MONGOLIAN JAPANESE ALL BELONG IN A MEGA-UBER-LANGUAGE GROUP

IF YOU DENY THIS YOU MAY BE A HOMOSEXUAL

BUT MAYBE NOT

I DON'T KNOW

Hungarian and japanese share some other really interesting archaic words not only water But in Hungarian , katana means soldier and sword holder and in Japanese, katana means sword. Hungarian absolutely doesnt have much to do with Finnish, or any othrr languages? I SPEAK it and cannot underztand a Finn one bit. To the moron who said Hungarian is a mix of languages is just stupid and obviously knows shit. The problem with Hungarian is either one speaks3 it well or not at all and many
Do not, thereby being extremely hard to make similarities unless one knows both japanese and hungarian afluent.
When one makes claims to hearing vowel harmony on 2, 3, etc languages well lets be real, vowels make up Every word and about 70% of all word sounds. Igs easy to make a guess but real word is in the rooted words.

Hungarian and japanese share some other really interesting archaic words not only water But in Hungarian , katana means soldier and sword holder and in Japanese, katana means sword. Hungarian absolutely doesnt have much to do with Finnish, or any othrr languages? I SPEAK it and cannot underztand a Finn one bit. To the moron who said Hungarian is a mix of languages is just stupid and obviously knows shit. The problem with Hungarian is either one speaks3 it well or not at all and many
Do not, thereby being extremely hard to make similarities unless one knows both japanese and hungarian afluent.
When one makes claims to hearing vowel harmony on 2, 3, etc languages well lets be real, vowels make up Every word and about 70% of all word sounds. Igs easy to make a guess but real word is in the rooted words.

If we're gonna bump five-year-old threads, we might as well chip in a correction or two…
>>17
certain kind of words that denote plurality, like kigi («trees») and hitobito («people»)
That's not «special words», it's something called «reduplication» (repeating the noun, to mark plurality), coupled with some sound changes.
- word-initial unvoiced consonants in words that end up inside compounds, tend to become voiced, e.g. «ki» («木», «き») -> «gi» in «kigi» («木木», «きぎ»)
- «H» and «B/P» are related in Japanese, as is reflected in kana (in this case, ひ vs び/ぴ). Hence «hito» («人», «ひと») -> «bito» in «hitobito» («人人», «ひとびと»).

Or we could point out the difference between having one or two similarities (SVO/SOV/etc, pre/post-positions, etc) in two otherwise clearly unrelated languages, vs finding that two languages are related. >>7 has an example of the latter.
As for the former, there's interesting little things like the Norwegian «sursild» (pickled herring). With the exception of the final l-sound, it's pronounced (in east Norwegian dialects) very much like
…sushi!