as a gaelic speaker i am particularly aware of this. there are loads of structures in english that exist in no other language but the celtic ones, but for political reasons the celtic roots aren't acknowledged ever.
The Gaelic languages have little in common with Spanish or Portuguese. I don't know who spreaded the lies that the Celts are related to them.
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Anonymous2007-12-30 5:26
>>11
Well, maybe because in the first place, a celtic tribe lived in that region, the Celtiberians. Some Spanish and Portuguese words came directly from their celtic language, some others were celtic words that became part of Latin vocabulary and then evolved into Spanish/Portuguese. One example is "porcom", it was a Celtiberian word then it became "porcu" in Latin and then "porco" in Portuguese. The word for beer "cerveja" share it's roots with "crwr" which is Welsh for beer. In that case, Irish Gaelic didn't keep the celtic word for it and and adopted a Germanic word instead.
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Anonymous2007-12-31 14:37
>>12
Romans called beer Cerevista, made up of Ceres (god of grain) and Vista (strength). So I say that your etymology is wrong.
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Anonymous2007-12-31 18:47
Etymology reminds me of the out of Africa theory. Everyone likes to draw all the languages or as many as they can to one source. Why not multiregional?
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Anonymous2007-12-31 18:49
Etymology is quite biased against language isolates and smaller languages in general when it comes to "who borrowed what from whom".
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Anonymous2007-12-31 21:45
>>12
Wel, meibi bikaas in thö först pleis, a keltik traib livd in thät riijön, thö Keltiberiöns. Sam Späänish end Portugiis wörds keim dairektli from theör keltik längwich, sam othörs wöör keltik wöörds thät bikeim part of Lätin vokäbyuleri end then ivolvd intu Späänish/Portugiis. Wan exämpol is "porcom", it was a Keltiberiön wörd then it bikeim "porcu" in Lätin end then "porco" in Portugiis. Thö wöörd foor biör "cerveja" sheör its ruuts with "crwr" which is Welsh foor biör. In thät keis, Airish Geelik didn't kiip thö keltik wöörd foor it end ädaapted a Görmänik wöörd insted.
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Anonymous2008-01-01 4:16
>>13
Yes, the name of the god was also originated from the Celtic word. You have to rememeber that lots of Roman deities were borrowed from other cultures.
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Anonymous2008-01-01 6:19
Crappy little Celtic languages nobody cares about are taking credit for words in the Latin language?
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Anonymous2008-01-02 19:39
>>18
Even though I'm Irish, I have to agree. Romans came and p0wned the Britons. Even though they never got as far as Ireland (empire fell first), we were the same people back then (lol Volkerwanderung) so would have suffered the same fate.
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Anonymous2008-01-03 4:33
>>18
But this is what happened. Latin borrowed many words from many sources, Celtic, Germanic, Greek even Slavic.
Want to have a funny surprise? Follow the complete etymologic branch of the word "war".
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Anonymous2008-01-03 9:51
NO YOU GUYS ARE WRONG EVERYTHING COMES FROM EITHER LATIN GREEK OR SANSKRIT DURRR
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Anonymous2008-01-03 10:49
Speaking of etymology I often see people who have no idea what they're talking about say "Finnish and Hungarian are like brothers". Ummmm the languages at first glance hardly resemble each other. The have a handful of similar words but it's the grammar rules that causes most people to think the languages are related.
Also just because they're related doesn't make one easier to learn for a speaker of the other. English and Punjabi are related yet I don't see you having an easy time learning it.
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Anonymous2008-01-03 11:06
>Ummmm the languages at first glance hardly
>first glance
>English and Punjabi are related yet I don't see you having an easy time learning it.
>Punjabi
There's your mistake.
We don't have a hard time learning it either because no one gives a shit about learning punjabi in the first place
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Anonymous2008-01-04 13:46
I often see people who have no idea what they're talking about say "Finnish and Hungarian are like brothers". Sure they have a handful of similar words but it's the grammar rules that cause most people to think the languages are related.
Also just because they're "related" doesn't make one easier to learn for a speaker of the other. English and Punjabi are related (Indo-European languages) yet I don't see you having an easy time learning it.
Imperialism and (Indo-) Eurocentrism still rule in linguistics. Just take a look at that talk page.
comparisons The comparison of these sentences is interesting. For me, "Elävä" and "Eleven" sounds even like English "a living" or German "ein lebender", also a slight resemblance of "veden"/"viz" with "water"/"Wasser" might be there. This might however be coincidence. Perhaps some of the word-stems have been influenced by indo-european languages.
"Perhaps some of the word-stems have been influenced by indo-european languages"
Influenced? By Indo-European languages? Why is it that people always assume that Indo-European languages have influenced Finno-Ugrian languages, while it could very well be the other way around:
"Finno-Ugrian languages have influenced Indo-European languages."
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Anonymous2008-01-10 1:20
Do Finno-Ugric languages have a word for "butthurt"?
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Anonymous2008-01-11 19:31
>>25 As I said in an earlier thread, Indo-European languages are so distantly related, that calling something Indo-European isn't all that useful to laypeople, and shouldn't have emotional connotation to it. The common ancestor language probably predates written language.
and >>27 may have a point. As Indo-European languages spread throughout Europe, the words took on different shapes in different parts of the continent. Look at Grimm's Law as one example, where Proto-German branched off. What was it that turned all those F's into B's? Probably a collision with another prominent language, where many people had to learn the Indo-European ancestor language, but with an accent. Consider the kinds of changes English words make when they enter the Japanese language.