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Name: Anonymous 2007-03-24 3:04 ID:DnRX6EFG

Basically if you have a question about the language, ask it and fellow 4channers might see it and answer it for you.

To start it off. When an animate object (iru) dies, is it considered inanimate(aru)?

Name: 679 2007-12-07 9:08

容易、簡易、貿易
sorry ii, yoi were the japanese 680 is the answer

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 12:00

So, perhaps Yoi was the original and only usage, back in the day?
Perhaps Ii was just a mutation?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 17:42

'乙' is a smart ass way of saying otsukaresama, which basically means 'thanks for your hard work.' For example, if anon delivers, you could comment '乙.'

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-07 19:41

>>682 Correct.
Yoi is more likely to be used in written Japanese, while
ii is used in conversation.
よいですよ。(sounds a bit funny, but OK.)
いいですよ。(perfect.)
In most cases, they are replaceable each other.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 4:33

I'm sure other people on here must use supermemo or mnemosyne.

Does anyone have any pre-made XML that I could download? Entering in each one takes too much time, I rather use someone elses

bonus points for mnemosyne cause I don't have supermemo (but I can try and figure out how to download it i suppose)

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 13:24

>>685
No, but I use Anki ( http://repose.cx/anki/ ), which comes with databases for JLPT4-2.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 16:26

>>686
Thanks, that should keep me busy

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-13 5:40

you know how adding +sa on an i adjective turns it into a noun? e.g. tsuyoi (powerful) becomes tsuyosa (power)

for na adjectives, do you only just drop na and it works 100% of the time? Or is there some way to edit it too?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-13 21:24

You are right.
In fact, all na adjectives were nouns until na were added.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-20 14:29

Doesn't work for chiisana or ookina, but you could argue those aren't na-adjs at all.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-21 4:54

>>690
chiisa = its noun form
from chiisai, an i adjective

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-22 23:11

I'm looking into spaced repetition programs since someone mentioned them. I'm trying out Anki. My question is, is there more of the JLPT vocabulary available? Also, are there some cards for the radicals? Or for any similar program? That would help a lot.

The alternative would finding some list with the radicals on it and inputting that in one way or another...

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-23 0:21

>>692
I'm the one who asked about the spaced repetition programs

From what I've found, there is indeed more vocab. I looked and looked, couldn't find anything, then I hit the jackpot.

http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=12761

That has almost 8000 words. It was a bit complicated to figure it out, but you gotta save it in the right format I think then when you import, you'll need to swap around the options for like meaning/reading/etc

For radicals, I doubt it exists. However, it is definitely possible to do it as you are able to put pictures inside anki

As for pictures/text, you could use this link http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1R

It doesn't have definitions of radicals though. If you or someone ever decides to make one, feel free to share it. I already know all my radicals but I don't know the meaning behind most of them.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-23 0:30

>>692
me again, I did a quick google search for more helpful material.

there's this, which tells the meaning and reading of the important ones
http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa070101a.htm

then there's this one it links to, http://japanese.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.nuthatch.com/kanji/demo/strokes.html which talks about all 214 of them

Being able to recognize radicals is crucial to remembering kanji, so if you can't then this is important to learn. But yeah.. definitely share it if you make it. If I wasn't so busy I'd do it just for the readings/definitions.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-23 2:04

Do college degrees like AA/BA mean anything over in Japan? I'm pretty sure you need a BA to live in Japan but to let's say, work there, does it account for anything? Or maybe is it equivalent to whatever they have?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-23 3:30

>>695
yeah BA or higher to be non azn and work in japan. so there country doesn't fill with weeaboos ect (well thats not the official reason)

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-23 20:30

>>693-694
Thanks for the links!
I tried to import some of the information. I split it into three anki files (radicals, lvl 1 kanji, lvl 1 vocabulary)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CXEYBYSV

The radicals don't include the pictures from wwwjdic (I think the pictures are combinations from other radicals?) and I realized there was at least 曰 (flat sun) missing but oh well.
The radicals are taken from http://www.nuthatch.com/kanji/demo/strokes.html

The jlpt vocab and kanji are from http://www.nishigo.co.uk/files/japanese_jlpt1_lite_no_duplicate.xls
which has no duplicates supposedly.

I think I'll start by memorizing the radicals then finish the decks that come with the program and then see what's missing to complete level 4-3-2. If I could finish everything up to that point it'd be great...

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-23 23:45

Can you learn Japanese without practicing speaking it?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-24 5:14

>>698
no
you nigger

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-24 6:41

I came across some strange conditionals; could someone shed some light on any of them? Here's the first batch:

行かねば = ikanakereba?
感ぜらゆれば, 愛さゆれば
当てねば
取りしかば
参りそうらえば
語るらめど
飛んだれば

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-24 14:30

>>699
why not?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-24 20:52

>>697
I did my own version of what you made
I added stroke counts to everything, I added a few missing (probably didn't get them all though), I fixed up a few things that the link wasn't too helpful on, and I added some picture ones that showed what they were called when at a certain side

also added around 2-3 kanji example per radical for strokes 1-4 which is nearly half, was taking too long so I gave up
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KXLR31X5

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-24 20:53

and by link not being helpful, I mean the http://www.nuthatch.com/kanji/demo/strokes.html link. Also anything with a period after it means there is one with the same definition already but different radical

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-25 5:02

>>701
you need to be able to pronounce communicate verbally to say you have mastered a language

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-26 22:47

>>700
Old Japanese. Only appears in high school textbooks.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-27 4:13

>>705
Glad to hear that. I'm just going to ignore all that shit then.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-27 21:18

>>706
If you could use that language fluently, you'll be popular among girls considered being intelligent. ;p

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-27 23:29

What's the difference between 今度 and 今回

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-27 23:41

>>708
nothing

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-27 23:46

今度next time
次回next time
今回this time
次度there's no such Japanese.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-30 14:25

>>702
aah you added the diagrams for the location of the radicals that's great, they weren't showing up until I updated my version of the program

good stuff

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-31 11:59

I sure could use some stroke order pictures for some of the more complicated kanji (jouyou and non-jouyou), is there anything online?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-31 14:08

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-01 10:03

What do you call verb conjugation in japanese since it's not really conjugation(i.e. pairing pronouns with verb forms)

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-02 12:22

How do you say 'too bad'?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-02 17:44

>>715 :

You stare the other person and say "BAKA !"

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-02 20:40

Why does this thread still exist? Fucking weeaboos

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-02 23:13

>>715
zannen

I'm going to Japan for a year. Do the Japanese girls prefer their white guys the same in America? As in, with a nice tan, or do they prefer people without tans?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-03 1:43

>>718
they hate greasey weeaboo fags
also any other gaijin (they really hate Koreans). Probably, nobody will act openly hostile towards you, but they wont give you any respect or let you into certain places (eg Japanese only, bath houses)
Don't act like a loud mouth cocky white guy and you will get by okay.

also, trap as many people as you can into saying "dolce and gabbana" its pretty funny watching them choke on their own tounges

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-03 8:21

>>719
well I'm nothing like a greasey weeaboo, I'm just wondering whether I should get a bit of a tan before going over there or not, as they might have different views of what looks good

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