I've fully learned 100 kanji.

I'm so proud.

Congratulations.
You know, kids in their first year of primary learn 80, so you're 20 ahead of first graders.

I do know that. However, they learn them much easier, as the mind gets worse and worse at memorizing things like this.

You're as smart as a japanese chimpanzee

>>4
I know you are, but what am I?

I do not seem to feel good with a penis of a European softly　
However, because a Japanese penis is hard and is big, there is demand

Japanese = ｃool and intellectual
　　

white monkey = barbarian, a face handicapped person

>>1
Aren't you that fucking idiot who spawned that other topic?
Out. Now.

>>7
No, that was me. Even I wouldn't do something this stupid.

HELLOO WAP

>>1
Nice job, fucking weeaboo.

1845 to go ! Lol

>>11
To be literate. Most Japanese people know waaaaaaaaaaay more than that.

>>12
They are way more Weeaboo though, you'll have to walk the fine line between True Muslim Lynching Patriot and Weeaboo.

>>13
Uhh... Okay.

>>12
that is a reason why i stopped learning. why the hell would anyone want to dedicate themselves to learning thousands of kanji unless they wanted to be a true blue weeaboo freak? you'd have to live in japan to maintain it, and if you live there you are probably an otaku or fetishist.

>>15
Hobby? Something to do? You can learn one kanji a day, and in three years, you'd know over 1000. You don't have to live in Japan to maintain it. Japanese isn't that hard, really.

I can only recomment "remembering the kanji" by James W Heisig. He explains that children only learn 80 in a year because they have to learn through repetition, which is highly inefficient. Adults have to make more efforts to memorize stuff but can conceptualize what they do, and in fact it makes it easier to learn the kanji.

So far I've learned 350 in a month using this method about 1h per day. According to the book you can learn the 2042 basic kanji in 6 weeks if you do it full time.

>>17
The Heisig book is utter crap. I've seen sample pages of it and frankly, I don't understand what people see in it. It doesn't even teach the readings of those kanji! So, you can recognize and draw them, but WTF are you gonna do because you can't read them?

>>18
Because all other learning methods give you instant reading comprehension. Take a look at recent memory research and you might understand why people like his method

>>1
WHO GIVES A FUCK?????

>>19
But isn't reading comprehension the whole point of learning kanji? I don't give a fuck about what the etymological/pictographical meanings/roots e.g. 見 has, I'm only interested in knowing that it means "to see", み and ケン. And also how it's drawn, and what components it's made of (the latter makes it easier to remember, of course). Other stuff is only garbage you don't need and should not bother your brains with.

>>21
Read >>19 again. You didn't understand it and you seem to have problems grasping Heisig's method too.

Say, when I'm done with the jouyou kanji, are there any good resources for learning additional kanji?

http://www.nuthatch.com/kanji/
Has most every kanji you'd ever run into.

>>22

There's not much to understand in your post apart from vague references to recent memory researches and an obvious statement about reading comprehension.

>>17
All done with volume one of that book and it is indeed good.

What people can't seem to understand about kanji is that you need to study them in a rational manner. Learning all the readings and the writing and the various uses in one go is fucking insane.

Anyone learning kanji will(Or atleast SHOULD unless they are superhuman or masochistic) create a method on their own similar to Heisig's sooner or later anyway to remember how to write/remember the kanji. So you might as well save yourself the headache and in the least work with the radicals and some short mnemonic stories(or just breaking down the kanji into manageable pieces like person(人)+tree(木)＝rest(休) if they ever want to become fluent in the japanese writing system that is.

>>26
That's fine for a few pictographic characters, but what the fuck do you plan to do when you run into compounds or kanji that just don't make sense?
不要, for example. Fuyou, or a waste. At first, I agree, it seems like an excellent way to do it at first, but I think you're setting yourself for unnecessary challenges later on.

>>27
 I know that 不 carries a negative implication like ”un" and I know that 要 means more or less "need" and that becomes unnecessary, of no use, waste.

>>That's fine for a few pictographic characters
Well if you follow Heisig's method he will provide specific additional meanings for alot of kanji to make their use easier when it comes to mnemonics.

>>but I think you're setting yourself for unnecessary challenges later on.
Indeed the example(人)+tree(木)＝rest(休) I gave is one of the few that makes sense. But the system Heisig provides modifies alot of things in order for it to make sense. And indeed it creates alot of information that one would think adds alot of unnecessary waste.

But really sit down and try to remember a complex character in your mind, you will remember it based on a picture. This picture is shrouded in mist. What this method is meant for is a way to write the characters that is not based on brute memorization.

I learned katakana and hiragana by grinding them in something like this http://www.bigtrouble.com/kana/, I can read them just fine. That does not mean I can write them without problems. In order to do that i would need to write them repetedly on a paper . Applying this brute memorization to the 2000+ kanji is crazy.

 

But you would get better at the brute memorization as you familiarized yourself with the way the characters are made.

HAHAHA 親 COMES FROM 木に立ちながら(子供を)見てる DOESN'T IT? KANJI MNEMONICS WORKED FOR ME!

>>28
Brute memorization is not crazy. It takes time, sure, but what wouldn't.

Here's how I learn kanji: I read manga. I usually pick up one kanji per chapter (provided I'm only reading one or two chapters a day). It's nice cause when the characters are going on about some topic using the same kanji, you read it over and over for a few pages, and so it gets implanted in your memory.

Also, I find it's usually not worth memorizing readings, but just to know words that use the readings. If you know 不安 and 必要, then you can (correctly) guess the reading of 不要, without having memorized the readings seperately.

And you must absolutely use components when learning kanji. It's much easier to know that a kanji is made of up this component over that component next to this component, rather than independently memorizing it a a whole.

>>32
Wins topic.

>>28
I have a theory -- that it's a better idea to learn Heisig's Kanji first, and then go on to Hiragana and Katakana.  That way you won't have to see the kana in the kanji.  Is it good or whack?

>>34
I don't quite understand, could you elaborate?

>>34
To me, that's like learning words before the alphabet.

>>6

Oh dear god, hilarious.

>>34
That's what I'm doing now.  Won't be long until I've finished book 1, and then I'll have to learn the kana so I can learn readings.  But IMO kana sucks, Japanese should be 100% kanji.  I'm only learning it over Chinese because I'm a weeaboo loser.

>>38
You do realize that most Chinese people know 8000+ characters. Those kana keep you from having to learn 6,500 characters.

>>39
In China, literacy for the working citizen is defined as knowledge of 2000 characters. In other words, pretty much the same as in Japan.

>>40
Oh. Well, in that case, Chinese is superior.

>>15　you'd have to live in japan to maintain it
　いや、それほど難しくないと思う・・・例えば、この手もあります：
１）日本人の友達を見つけ
２）日本語の新聞を読め（大きい都会には必ずあります）
３）Ｗｏｒｌｄ４ｃｈの日本語スレで練習して

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