Who killed the videogame industry?

Sony did

Why are violent videogames so popular now? FUck sony. Fuck sony in the ass

Why can't we have games like phantasy star anymore? Games like that wouldn't sell anymore

Fuck

>>1
distributers did when they started getting involved in the development.

fuck them in their stupid arses.

Its cheaper to simply make a violent game with lots of flashy effects than actually make anything decent.

I didn.

Is it really killed?

>>3
I think you mean "easier", not cheaper. Katamari Damacy cost a hell of a lot less than your run of the mill mediocre fps.

>>5

There is no preservation for quality.

It is killed.

>>1
Nice theory, but Nintendo via Hiroshi Yamauchi created the monster that is Sony in 1989 and turned it against its creator forever in 1991.  Nintendo is fully responsible for Sony.

Xbox is the fountainhead of all soulless gaming, and the only reason Xbox exists is because Microsoft knows how to market to the naive members of generation Pikachu.  The kids of today don't have any concept of brand loyalty and they are so hyped up on ADD that they need a constant stream of flashy pre-chewed bullshit.

Thus, in the end, we have seen the enemy and he is us.

>>1
Phantasy Star was violent.  It wasn't 'adult', though, which I guess is what you're getting at?  People buy controversy-baiting stuff, in droves - publishers & developers aren't really responsible for creating the demand, just meeting it.

>>1
You're telling me the murder scene in Phantasy Star 2 wasn't violent?

>>9
>>10

It didn't rely on violence as it's selling point.

9/11 is responsible for the crash of the industry.
NOTICE HOW GAMES GOT SUCKY SINCE 9/11??
COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT.

So, JEWS KILLED THE VIDYA GAEM INDUSTRY!!!

But seriously, Videogames are selling better and better, and unless you are an nostalgic OLDSKOOL elitist (which /v/ sadly is full of) the quality is still there. The answer is "no one".

>>12
Excellent observation.  So, all we need to do is win the war on terror and we can have nice things?
>>13
>hypocritical nostalgic OLDSKOOL elitist
Fixed.  Different anonymouses sometimes, sure, but an absurd facet of many who rant about the bygone gaming golden age is that they slaver every bit as much as the kiddies they decry at every drip-fed snippet of information on upcoming releases.

>>13

Games are only selling "more" because more people have jobs and they are hoping to find a good game but end up with disappointment

fagget


>>14

Sorry but i hated ps2/cub/xbox and this gen sucks too so do newer pc games faggot

World of Warcraft is relatively tame

spiderman 3.

nuff said.

>>2

QFT.

>>6

QFT, again.

>>12

They started sucking in '98, so no.

>>13

Selling better does not mean better quality.  All it means is better marketing.  And you have to be elite before you can be an elitist.  You're just sore that you're constantly proven wrong again and again by veterans of the scene.

>>14

Hardly.  These days I see maybe only 4 or 5 games a year that I would even consider buying.  And besides, playing the same old games again and again does get old eventually, the difference is the old games are more fun while they last and they last longer.  Even if we want something new now and again that doesn't mean we think the new stuff is just as good.  It's just something different.

>>15

Just as many people had jobs back in the "golden age," the difference is games were nerdy, not mainstream.  Those were the good days because developers were just as nerdy if not nerdier than us gamers and really cared about what they were doing beyond the possibility of making money.  The money was a means to make the games, not the other way around.  A lot of developers these days use games as a means to make money and put no heart into their work and producers get involved and make things even worse, and those few developer teams that do care about what they're doing rarely get a chance to make something that stands out because producers don't want to sponsor a team that isn't hell-bent on making them money.  2 has the right idea, we need to get distributors and producers out of the picture and support more indie developers.

You're completely wrong. It's the distributors of the games. Like Rockstar for example made Grand Theft Auto: 3, Vice and San for the PS2, Xbox and PC so you can't place it all on Sony. Look at Postal2 for example. That's been one of the most violent games in history right beside Man-Hunt which was banned because of the amount of violence. It's upto the parents to moderate their childs gaming, not the distibutors or console brand.

>>18 veterans of the scene.

I LOL'D

Phantasy Star seems an odd 'bygone golden age' example - it's been quite a conservative genre, so modern RPG/dungeon crawlers aren't that different from it.  Not all current games are teen-pandering guns'n'hookers - what did Phantasy Star offer that's completely unavailable in the current market?

I'm sceptical about claims like >>1 because I agree most modern games are crap, but think most older games were crap, too.  There's nothing new about uninspired cash-in shovelware or unfinished trash dumped onto the market to recoup costs.

>>18 Hardly.  These days I see maybe only 4 or 5 games a year that I would even consider buying.
Some people spent the years between Morrowind and Oblivion bitching that Morrowind was watered-down Daggerfall, then bought Oblivion.  Really, what the fuck?  Yes, there are also people who don't line up to buy whatever new shiny tat comes out.  The industry's pretty much always been stuck on hyping the next big thing, though, and I think even many who complain about its current state still fall for it.

The insane production costs of getting a game to market have to bear some of the blame for the increasing dominance of anodyne focus-grouped pap.  I agree that distribution channels bypassing behemoth publishers, hopefully making lower-budget releases more viable, might help curb this trend.

Wanna know who killed the videogame industry? YOU! Yes, each one of you!

Who supported the fucking PS2 instead of the Dreamcast? Who started buying RPGs when the industry switched into linear FMV crap? Who bought the GTA games in such numbers, making it the best selling console game? Who's giving $$$ to shitty MMORPG after shitty MMORPG? Who's supporting EA and Squeenix? Who's buying all the micropayment crap from Xbox Live and the WII's VC? Who buys every minor upgrade to Nintendo's handhelds?

Fucking YOU, goddammit!

Video games aren't dead. WHen a good game or idea comes out, it still rocks the industry the way it always did. The only difference is that the market has expanded, so now there is more useless crap to wade through, that's all!

>>22
not i sir :)

as >>18 said "veterans of the scene." and i sir am one. so i dont easily fall for the marketing bullshit.

but those fuckers out there ---> do...

>>22

OP here.

I wanted to support the dreamcast but every DC system I bought had static over the sound so I had to wait a while. By then the dreamcast was already dead.

I bought RPGs before the FMV crap.

I stopped buying GTA games after the first one was just the same as the rest.

I stopped playing shitty mmorpgs years ago, since most of them are just the same shit repackaged for idiots.

The only way I would play an EA or Squeenix game is if I found it used in good condition for cheap or other methods.

I don't even own an xbox, and I never will. And the Wii is a piece of shit made for mexicans and eurofags, I don't own that either.

I never bought a GBA until the SP came out, and I'm happy with my original fat DS.

OP here again

And I should mention. I had more fun with DC than I did with PS2.

I hated pretty much every ps2 game I played. They just felt like they lacked something, like something was missing from them.

>>22

all of these things happened because with the current condition of the world, the stupid are meant to lead.

If the majority is stupid, their leaders will be a representation of them.

It's like how mexicans continue to breed without regard for anything.

>>25
Eh...try Ahriman's Prophecy (free)/Aveyond (cheap)?  PC games built on some RPGMaker variant or other, but better design and production values than your average amateur work.  Essentially 16-bit console RPG throwbacks, so they might appeal.  Only really good dungeon crawler I saw on the nearly-dead gen consoles was Nocturne, but doesn't the DS have some kind of old-fashioned RPGs, too (not sure, I don't really do portables)?  If you do PC RPGs, one or both current Spiderweb series (Avernum/Geneforge) might be worth looking at.  When all else fails, you can always look for worthwhile old games you skipped.

Blame niggers.

They ruined MTV, and they are ruining video games.

SO I HERD U LEIK MUDKIPZ

So explain why FF is sucking? Used to be good, but now it's terrible. It's based entirely off of the J-pop culture. (OK, haven't played 12 yet, but based off of 10/10-2)

Oh, and KH. Sure, it has decent gameplay by some accounts, but you can't dismiss the sellout factor.

To summarize, I think that creators are simply running out of ideas, and like anything, power corrupts.

Square: Used to make decent games, they were always soapy, but not as bad as the modern stuff they produce.

Blizzard: Started with WCI, an interesting computer adaptation of warhammer. Now look what we have? WoW. And that canceled starcraft ghost project...

Miyamoto: He still produces a few good games, but he IS losing some of his creative edge. The mario games are going nowhere, and zelda, though good, is really just a rehashed formula, and I fell that the realistic style and "T" rating of TP was somewhat him selling out to the mass criticisms of 14 year olds complaining that "Z0mg c3ll 5ha|)3 is 4 kiiiiiids!!!!!!!11"

And yes, XBOX is pretty much host to 2 million 3rd rate military shooters. But it also created Fable and elder scrolls. (Elder scrolls was definitely less violent than many games out there, and the wandering around walking for hours defeats the aforementioned ADD theory.)

This is probably just an inane rant, but I felt like responding...

>>31
Actually.. the xbox created elder scrolls? I remember playing arena and daggerfall YEARS before anyone heard about the xbox ; )
I'd rather say that xbox mostly killed the series <and no, i did not buy oblivion after bitching about morrowind for years>

OK, create was maybe the wrong word to use... I'd say it hosted it. It wasn't on Cube or PS was it? Exactly.

How so?

Why FF is sucking?
They started giving up certain elements of the older series since FF7 and bringing new stuff in. They kind of lost the whole crystal thing and kept the small(but cool) elements of the game, like chocobos and typical sound elements. It was good, for a while. But now FF is more like a game with some of those cool elements but has nothing to do with the older games. That is what I feel about FF, probably most of you will not agree with me tho.

Yea, Mario may be going nowhere, but I still enjoyed NSMB much more than newer FF games. New elements in games don't make them better always, at least if too much is taken away from the original(HoMM3 and HoMM4) but also the same game with updated graphics may also lead to fail(HoMM3 and HoMM5)

I dont think that the videogame industry is in crisis at all. First off we have reached a pinnacle of tactical shooters in this generation of games, and online playability, physics, and many other things have gotten better. I think that many developers are in an intellectual recession like movies were two years ago. But there is still good stuff, Crackdown was a great game, chrome hounds is good, all the bioware shit has been good, and since eternal darkness horror games have been slowly becoming more and more awsome for example dark corners of the earth. And really whats wrong with playing old games if you like them. Also personally Mario is shit, and all 3d FF games are shit, and so is metriod in all its myriad forms. As far as im concerned Nintendo has two good franchises, super smash and legend of zelda all of which has been and continues to be good.

I cant see how you can be pessimistic with the wii out, it is amazeing and new.

Well, I'm personally speaking as a non-participator in the next gen stuff. So this is purely what I've seen from "Last generation" systems.

>>32
I'd rather say Bethesda killed TES, the multiplatforming of Morrowind being more symptom than cause.  Matter of perspective, though, I guess.  I never had much personally to lose on that series, anyhow - Daggerfall was ok, but I didn't think it was great, even ignoring how bug-riddled it was.

>>26
Etrian Odyssey sounds up your alley, if you have or don't mind getting a DS.  You're not going to get much more 'like Phantasy Star' than a self-conscious Wizardry clone.

Have you considered the possibility you're just jaded with video games in general?  I don't know what you played, but hating everything released for PS2 would be a fairly tall order - whatever you might have against Sony or the hardware, it ended up with quite a diverse library.

Okay, lemme get an opinion in here, concerning what other people have discussed.

Final Fantasy and Square Enix as a whole now SUCK.  They're rehashing FF's name out of every orifice and refuse to come up with anything new and ingenious.  I could go on and on about how I feel Enix is leeching Square for all their property, but that should be in an entirely different thread.

Nintendo is currently the ONLY company that is trying to do anything particularly innovative.  The only problem is that no 3rd party companies wanna jump into that mess.  Why?  THEY'RE ALL FREAKING SCARED!  They don't wanna try anything new, 'cause the same old crap has been what sells.  Maybe now that the Wii is the best selling console they'll all start to reconsider.  Until then, this waiting game sucks.

PS3 - WTF, Sony?  Too expensive, the upgraded hardware is NOT worth it... seriously, how many games actually pushed the limits of the PS2?  Companies are still hard at work on making good PS2 games!  No one wants to work with Sony on PS3 projects.  Those that do make games that would have been just as good on PS2.

Microsoft - Again, why would I buy an XBox 360 when very few games ever even pushed the graphic capabilities of the original XBox?  However, 360 is starting to pick up the rights to all the games that Sony is LOSING.  Not to mention, Mystwalker and their game Blue Dragon is for 360, so I would definitely pick up a 360 before I'd buy a PS3.  But overall, it's a war game machine.  It's an FPS player's dream.  I've seen so many FPS's that I'm bored to tears.

It sucks royally that Nintendo is struggling to keep their head above water 'cause they're the only ones left that can save innovative gaming.

Damn.

Who've thought that just one word would truncate a post? 

Anon just got censored.

it was the nigras

think about it this way, Microsoft and Nintendo are starting to share game series (read: Mech Assault, Phantom War) so they aren't exactly going for each other's throats, and since the represent differant sides of an equation, they're good.

Sony, however, is desperate to win. The lost to the N64, then the Xbox. Now they are trying to cover all their bases, handheld, interactive, power, format. But they're not thinking it out, they didn't license rumble tech so they got sued and lost it, and when the fans backlashed the made their controller like the original again. If they had actually thought it out with analysis and shit, they would have defended it as a better format. Not only that, but they were dead set on causing another video games collapse.

Think about, without the Wii, if Nintendo had made another powerhouse, it would be like having 3 aggressive T-Rexs in a room with a limited but continuous supply of food. Eventually one will be left standing. With only on console left, gaming's expectation of quality will no longer be necessary, and we get fucked.

niggersoft

I DID

>>42
LOL @ complete bullshit.

Sony losing to the N64?
I can't stop laughing.

>>45

I don't really agree or disagree. N64 and PSX were both making good money either way. Nobody really "lost" anythning, well besides dreamcast.

>>46
hahahaha n64 was the third biggest mistake in nintendo history

>>47

They still made good money and I still had awesome fun with it. Your point?

>>48
the third biggest mistake in nintendo history
are you stupid or fail to even read?

dont blame sony blame the jews for creating a society based soley on the gain of money. thus making the game industry realize they can exploit simple aestehically pleasing games for fuck loads of money ex. GEARS OF WAR.

>>49

I'm saying who gives a shit if it's a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, Good and bad. In my opinion I see nothing wrong with N64 unless it was a good mistake they discovered. Who cares?

>>51
The fact is, some retard said it beat PSX.  That and your argument is full of fail.  The N64 failed fucking miserably, partially due to the fact that it had a whopping FIVE playable games.  If you honestly enjoyed that system over a playstation, you were either ridiculously poor, ridiculously young (if so, GTFO), or you have the trashiest taste in games imaginable.

Enjoy your Glover.

Five playable games! LOL

Are you fucking kidding me? So your saying Super smash bros, Paper mario, Super mario 64, Jet force gemini, starfox 64, legend of zelda(best title of all zeldas), and like many many more spawned out of no where? Have you been in a tiny hole with only a PSX or something? PSx didn't "Beat" N64, nor did N64 beat PSX. The whole rage of consoles didn't really start until xbox came out. Before then everyone just got either dreamcast/n64 or psx and fucking enjoyed them. Saying n64 had only FIVE "PLAYABLE" games is i believe, the most stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

lol Man i should quote that. "N64 had a whopping five playable games". AHAHAHAHAH. AND HE MENTIONS A 1ST GENERATION GAME GLOVE!! God damn your stupid. Go play your counter-strike and shoot up some school you pent up dipshit.

i blame the fanfags.

/thread

>>53
lol man i should quote the n64 beat the psx hahahahahaha

>>53
Glover was a Nintendo 64 game, faggot.

Starfox, Mario 64, fuck I'm out of good games already.

>>56

Mario Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo Kazzoie, kill urself, etc etc

Spore?

>>58
SPORE WILL BE THE BEST GAME EVER MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How is Morrowind a symptom, that game was amazing. People didnt like it because it wasnt simple and required half a brain to play it. yes the game could have been refined a little and IMO oblivion was a step backwards. There are too many simplified games nowadays that keep pushing the gaming industry forward in graphics and backwards in creativity and innovation prime example was Gears of War.

>>56

"Glover was a Nintendo 64 game, faggot"

"HE MENTIONS A 1ST GENERATION GAME GLOVER"

Reread, Comprehend. I know fucking Glover was a N64 game. It was the 1st Generation of games that came out when the Nintendo 64 was released, Hence why I said 1ST GENERATION GAME. Man your fucking stupid. Let me break it down for the dumbasses. A 1st gen game means it was released when the system was released. Super Smash Bros Melee would be a 1st gen game for Gamecube. 2nd Gen games mean it was released a year after the system was made. You get it now? Idiot?

>>24
Whoa, chest-thumping eh?

Seriously, what's happening is that there are so many games coming out now, we have to wade through a lot more crap to get to the goodies. It does /not/ mean that back in "the days" there were only good games. There were less games and not so many people making them because it wasn't that profitable compared to other business. Now it's up there with the movie industry in comparison.

Keep buying games you like, and don't buy games you don't like. The market will stabilize itself, and the game industry won't end up making only crap; the next generation of "elites" (haha) will be there to whine about it. Yeah, there are a lot of retards buying FIFA 2XXX each year, but you're being ignorant if you believe every gamer other than yourself and your circle of old school friends are like that...

>>60
Morrowind:Daggerfall::Oblivion:Morrowind, in many respects.  Daggerfall's just a 3d first-person roguelike at its core, but its breadth, setting detail, crude but functional mission generator, reasonable faction simulation and relatively complex main quest (if the bugs didn't break it for you) were all pretty impressive at the time, and mostly lost to Morrowind's overzealous push away from randomization and tediously drawn-out dungeon crawls.

niglet

last good game was FF VII And you all are faggots lulz hi from ED