>>7 If you can't compile your own drivers you should not be running linux, period. GTFO noob.
Fixed.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 19:28
>>7
lol how do I typed a couple of commands that automatically build everything lol
I'm just saying that noobs don't want to do that shit
I use Arch Linux which is less of a hassle than whackware
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Anonymous2006-11-29 22:16
What the noob distros need is a flash tutorial when you first start up. Kinda like what Windows does.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 23:29
>>11
That's actually a REALLY good idea. Hrm. If nobody's working on that, I may give a try in a few weeks (after finals). I don't really like flash, though. I'll have to look into alternatives, I guess.
Four year Gentoo fag here. I learned the hard way - LFS, bitches. LOL.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 23:38
>>12
DO IT!!! Seriously, as a noob, this would help me so much.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 23:53
i want a linux distro like gentoo but without the compiling shit what do you recommend?
Nappa: Vegita, what does the scouter say about his power level?
Vegeta: IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nappa: What!? Nine thousand!?
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Anonymous2006-12-04 7:16
Vegita is spelt with "I"?
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Anonymous2006-12-04 9:01
>>41
It's spelt with an 'E', as I wrote in the second line, but Nappa says "Vegita".
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Anonymous2006-12-05 21:01
Speaking as a noob, why hasn't the Linux guys figured out how to create the One True Installer(TM)?
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Anonymous2006-12-05 21:46
>>43
Because:
1. The FHS sucks very, very hard
2. Lol freedom
3. CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN, YO!
4. GNU/Hippies
True story :( . (BTW, not a "noob" here; I've been using Unices (mostly Linux) for years. And yes Linux is a Unix OS you stupid GNU hippies.)
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Anonymous2006-12-05 22:24
>>43
Because, like anything else, in order to satisfy everyone, it'll end up becoming HUEG. HUEG means it'll be slow and difficult to use, meaning it'll be a failure.
There have been numerous attempts, but it's not going to be successful any time soon, if ever.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 1:31
Needs moar PBI for Linux.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 7:13
The fact is, we shouldn't need any installer. Software should be about unpacking and running. Bundling with libraries (dynamic, but bundled in the pack to ensure you can run it). As long as the compiled platform is the same, and the kernel version is the same or higher, it should run. As much as you'll hate to acknowledge, Windows works that way. You can install most things anywhere, move them, etc., and you don't have to care about libraries because they are searched in the application directory ("." in LD_LIBRARY_PATH is braindamaged). Even though Linux is about hacking around and doing it yourself, you find you can more easily try stuff for Windows because it takes 5 seconds to install and 5 seconds to uninstall - no 1 hour of configure --help, configure --a-whole-page-of-switches-to-get-what-you-want, make, oops missing shit, recursively configure and make missing shit, oops, doesn't work, fix shit, more gotchas, then make, make install, only to discover you didn't like it, so uninstall. You can so much easily try every available application for one task under Windows, then decide what you like. In Linux, it becomes a guessing problem. And all of this because:
1. The FHS sucks very, very hard
2. Lol freedom
3. CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN, YO!
4. GNU/Hippies
theres these new things that a couple distros have called package managers. they ar awesum/.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 7:49
what do GNU/Hippies have to do with software packaging
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Anonymous2006-12-06 16:38
>>48
No they aren't. Anything RPM-based sucks and any distro lacks packages for anything useful and updated, except Debian's huge ass APT repositories which are acceptable. There's still a problem of installing shit in the shittiest places, refer to point 1: The FHS sucks very, very hard.
My point was that the only package managers you should need are cp and rm.
>>49
GNU/Hippies want to distribute their GNU/software in GNU/source format, not because it's convenient, but because of their GNU/religion, as well as other GNU/stupid stuff. They are also obsessed with 2. Lol freedom.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 18:08
Double-clicking in Windows is so easy. Goshdarm you Linux!
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Anonymous2006-12-06 20:16
GNU/Hippies want to distribute their GNU/software in GNU/source format, not because it's convenient, but because of their GNU/religion, as well as other GNU/stupid stuff. They are also obsessed with 2. Lol freedom.
Could you please rephrase this comment using the Queen's English.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 21:04
>>51
Who said I like faggy clicky stuff? I just copy files. Happily. And delete them when to uninstall it.
>>52
No, because doing so would be insensitive and unfair to the GNU community.
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Anonymous2006-12-08 22:40
>>50
>>Anything RPM-based sucks and any distro lacks packages for anything useful and updated, except Debian's huge ass APT repositories which are acceptable.
gentoo's portage has a shitload of packages, the sad thing is that you have to compile'em
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Anonymous2006-12-08 23:20
>>54
There are binary distros based off of Gentoo, and use portage. There are even guides to just add the other distros' trees as a Gentoo portage overlay for binary goodness.
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Anonymous2006-12-09 0:07
>>55
and why the hell would you want to use gentoo as a binary distro?(or use it at all?)
arch is better.
Also, has Pacman improved greatly in the last couple months? Last time I tried it, it seemed... lacking.
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Anonymous2006-12-09 1:22
I agree that Arch > *, and I see why using binaries in Gentoo would defeat the purpose, but choices are always good.
>>57
Lacking in what way? It's definately the best I've used for handling binary packages. If you mean it's lacking in that you can't specify CFLAGS and shit, that's why the arch build system exists. Otherwise, I have no clue what you're talking about.
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Anonymous2006-12-09 1:28
>>57
the "(or use it at all)" was really just a joke. i actually like gentoo and portage alot.
pacman has always done what i wanted it to do. unfortunately, its somewhat slow on filesystems which fragment more(xfs,jfs). that'll change with pacman 3 though.
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Anonymous2006-12-09 1:34
Linux is perfect as is. If you don't like it, go back to Windows.
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Anonymous2006-12-09 5:47
>>60
Because of fags like you, who refuse to see the obvious, Linux won't improve.
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Anonymous2006-12-09 13:07
>>61
Because of fags like you, who refuse to see the obvious, Windows will take over and infest our very brains with DRM.
>>62
I'm the first to run the fuck out of Windows (not getting Vista, in the middle of switching everything to Lunix, talking to my co-workers about it, etc.), I just want the best Lunix, and the best Lunix is gotten when you're not easily satisfied.
the think the FHS solves problems, but instead it adds needless complexity and denies user's flexibility
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Anonymous2008-03-11 10:38
>>47 >>50
I don't get your problems. (Only used Gentoo and LFS. But I base my opinion on Gentoo.)
1. You can install any application you want, test it and uninstall it very easily. You don't need to know where stuff is. If you need to know, there are log files which you can view. You can even search in there.
2. Elaborate "FHS SUCKS".
3. CFLAGS? You should actually read the Gentoo manual.
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Anonymous2008-03-11 13:20
I installed Ubuntu and it couldn't even play mp3 files. I laughed and deleted that piece of shit.
>>68
Arch still has some child sicknesses. Try compiling your own vanilla kernel and then installing the nvidia drivers or virtualbox modules with pacman. No worky. Or make a kernel update via pacman. Your old kernel as well as the modules get deleted. If you don't or can't reboot immediately, you'll run into trouble.