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leaving computers on...

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 18:22

I read somewhere that it takes more energy starting a computer up when it's been off for less than six hours, than if you had just left it on the whole time.

Confirm/deny?

plz post proof

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 18:56

What a stupid claim - it depends entirely on the hardware setup of the PC and how efficient each component is, not to mention what processes the PC is running.  How long is a piece of string?   Duh.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 20:28

Just sleep the damn thing. I'm too lazy to shut down.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 20:42

http://www.dansdata.com/sbs22.htm

Some people leave their computers on as long as possible, on the grounds that components come under the most stress when turned off and on, and so you're less likely to have failures if you leave the power switch alone. There's only a grain of truth to this.

Rapidly cycling the power - working the power switch as if you're being paid by the click - is a bad idea for many electronic devices, including computers and monitors. If you're talking about ordinary use, however, the only problems you're likely to encounter stem from differential thermal expansion. Things get bigger as they warm up and smaller when they cool, and different components in a computer expand and contract by different amounts. The resultant mechanical stress can, theoretically at least, break traces on circuit boards and cause similar havoc.

In the real world, thermal problems with personal computers practically never have anything to do with differential expansion, but instead stem from lousy ventilation. Hot components, hard drives in particular, can barbecue themselves into an early grave. But these failures happen pretty seldom, these days, and modern hard drives are very unlikely to suffer motor or solenoid failure on startup. An old drive that's developed "stiction", where the drive has a hard time spinning up, should be left running all of the time. But that problem's never been common and is now close to unknown.

Current "green" PCs with power management features let you have most of the convenience of an always-on PC without the power bills; you can put your monitor, your hard drives, your processor and even the whole computer to sleep, and wake everything back up in a few seconds. From a differential expansion standpoint, this is the same as manually powering off the components in question. But since differential expansion is unlikely to ever do anything bad to your computer, who cares?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 20:54

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-16 10:36

A grizzled old computer veteran once said to me that turning a computer off and on was akin to knocking someone out with a hammer then waking them up with a taser.

For what it's worth, I've left my oldest computer on pretty much constantly for the last six years, and she's outlasted one desktop and two laptops.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 1:36

focusing on hard drives. holding all other things constant, one that is left on, spinning all the time will die faster or slower than one that is turned on and off, say once a day?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 6:23

>>7 "spinning all the time"
Unlikely, thanks to power management

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 7:39

I disable HD power off, it's the worst feature ever in power management. In fact it wastes power, as more power than it's saved is required to produce a new hard disk for you which you need because it blasts your HD.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 15:22

>>7

This is simply not true, almost all of the physical wear and tear that occurs to hard drives is done during the power on/off stages. A hard drive that is turned on and off once every day will have a drastically reduced mean-time before failure than one that is left spinning.

Of course, if you aren't going to be using your computer for an extended period of time (6+ days) then it is probably more beneficial to turn it off.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-17 15:58

>>10
Truth.
The coolest thing, if a hard drive has a really worn motor it can keep working flawlessly for a year or more while if it was turned off even for a minute it would not be able to spin up again.
That's how hard drives usually fail from age anyway, the motor becomes so worn out it will not be able to spin it up. This happens even if you do not power cycle it a lot, but it takes much less time to become this worn if you often turn it on/off.

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