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Launching applications

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-05 14:56

Why is Lunix so fucking slow when launching applications? Launching Mozilla, Opera, and other multiplatform applications takes 2-3 times as long as it does on Windows 2000 in the same computer.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-05 19:26

stop using Lunix and install Linux instead.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-05 21:24

Use Gentoo, problem solved.
CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN YO

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-05 21:57

>>3

If he can't even spell Linux, don't you think he'd have a bit of a problem installing Gentoo?!

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-05 22:06 (sage)

>>2-4
lunix fags

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-05 22:23 (sage)

THE AMOUNT OF FUNNY IN THIS THREAD IS ELEVATED

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 1:32 (sage)

I can't believe >>4 fell for that.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 3:52 (sage)

>>1
Because you're gay.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 12:09

>>3
Not like you can't compile it on another OS...

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 13:24

--zomg-optimized --funroll-loops

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 14:47

Lol, see how slightly editing one word proves to be an effective troll against Lunix users. Oops, I did it again ^_^; I suggest worldfilters for /comp: Linux=>Lunix and GNU=>GNAA.

Seriously though, I'm >>1 and my question, besides the little trolling, was quite real. Everything starts fucking slow in my SuSE 9.2, including multiplatform software that loads much faster under Windows 2000. Neither are using quick launch shit (I get rid of it by hand if installed) and well, I should say I'm running a hand-optimized version of Windows 2000 and my knowledge of Linux is far more limited, so this should help, but still, 2-3 times faster loading of applications? I'm asking if there's some design issue involved.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 15:28

>>11
There's a design issue involved. When you launch an app, it calls fifty layers of half-compatible libraries, frameworks and technologies carrying 30 years of UNIX legacy.

Just do like all the cool kids do, pretend that it's fast anyway so that more suckers try Linux on the desktop and then pretend the same.
If you keep lying to yourself, in less that three months, you'll forget that when you used to launch Explorer and Notepad (or the Finder and Textedit) they appeared immediately.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 15:33

Linux? Fast? For the desktop?

AHAHAHAHAHA!

Well, you can make it that way, but you'll first need to get rid of Gnome, KDE, and most of their supporting libraries.

PS. IT'S LUNIX! DO YOU HERE ME YOU GENTOO RICER FAGGOTS? LUUUUUNIX!

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 15:41

Well linux is fast for me. FYI I use on my install (stage1):
CFLAGS="-march=i686 -O4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr -funroll-loops -ffast-math -frerun-loop-opt -msse -mmmx -m3dnow -frerun-cse-after-loop -falign-functions=4 -ftracer -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -fno-strict-aliasing -frerun-loop-opt -falign-functions=4 -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fprefetch-loop-arrays"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
For my USE flags I removed everything I only enable them before I emerge something. You have to emerge some apps indidivually but you can make a good lean system with only a less than 200 of them if you use Fluxbox (which is optimized for performance) and the terminal instead of all this GUI shit.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 16:42

>>12
Libs also have to be loaded on Windows, you know, they don't appear from nowhere when needed like an Anonymous.
>>11
Follow advices : if you tweak Windows to make it launch faster, tweak linux, too (compile it with optimisation flags like said before).
Do you have swap space (with the Unix swap filesystem) ? Do you run a ressource hog like KDE with an old computer ?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 18:14

>>13
Problem is, you need applications, and applications usually run over them, so you'll end up loading libraries from both.

>>12
Libs also have to be loaded on Windows, you know, they don't appear from nowhere when needed like an Anonymous.
Yes, but Linux has a gazillion sets of libraries for everything, and the GUI is more complicated than Windows. Take Gecko (Mozilla, Firefox) as an example. It uses GTK, so you have to load GTK with all its support libraries, widgets and stuff. Then you open your favorite editor, say, Kate, which requires an assload of KDE stuff including QT and its widgets. Under Windows, Mozilla runs on the bare Win32 and requires nothing else, UltraEdit runs on the bare Win32 and requires nothing else, etc.

tweak linux, too (compile it with optimisation flags like said before)
But I didn't recompile anything on Windows (like Firefox). I'm using the stock binaries.

Do you have swap space (with the Unix swap filesystem) ?
Yes, although I shouldn't be needing it, I have 1 GB RAM. (I created just 256 MB of swap partition, I hope it's alright having so much RAM and not running too many applications at once, correct me if wrong and thanks in advance.)

Do you run a ressource hog like KDE with an old computer ?
I'm running KDE, but I have an Athlon XP 3500+ (Venice, 2.2 GHz, 512 KB L2) with plenty of RAM and few loaded applications. My tests were made on the desktop without anything else running in the background.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 19:14

Thank you >>14 for proving once againg that Gentoo users are total retards.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 20:51

>>15
KDE is getting better performance with each release. It should no longer hog much more resources than Gnome. And like >>16 said, Windows doesn't load tons of stuff for each app.

>>16
That should be enough swap, and 512 is always enough if you want to add more. But anyways, forget about ever getting the Snappy thing on Lunix, there are too many layers of retardedness apps go through to ever get a great desktop performance. Even after trying 20 distros, after hours of tweaking, launching kwrite, gedit, or whatever small app will still take at least one second.

And thank you >>17 for proving once again that Anonymous has no idea what is going on.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 21:00

>>18
http://funroll-loops.org
And now go back to which ever shithole you craweled out from.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 21:16

Thank you >>19 for proving once again that Anonymous has no idea what is going on.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 13:43

>>18
KDE and Gnome both take a lot of memory. XFCE, ion and some other DMs are faster but offer less functionnalities (well, ion offers close to no functionnality at all).
If you think your comp is powerful enough to handle it, then maybe the problem is not KDE.
>>16
That's because Windows loads its graphic libraries when starting. KDE programs start faster on KDE, but launching a GTK-based program takes a while.
Same thing under windows : launching the Gimp takes more time cause you need to load GTK.
I'm not saying Linux doesn't suffer from said /lib problems, but Windows only hides the problem, it doesn't resolve it.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 14:59

>>21
You are wrong. It resolved it because it is fast for me. I don't fucking care how it is done and wether it is elegant on not. When I click on icons in Windows or OS X, shit happens immediately, in Lunix, it always happens after one or more seconds. 

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 15:00

>>21
Opera is QT-based, I'm running KDE, and it takes ages to load compared to Windows. Oh and I'm using the lighter (Windows-like) theme on Linux.

Windows only hides the problem, it doesn't resolve it.
It's not that it hides it, it's that it doesn't tend to have this problem because there aren't 80 libraries to do the same thing.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 15:14

>>23
But the win32 is full of incompatible legacy stuff, unlike the Linux libraries that are generally a bit cleaner.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 15:54

hay guys whatz lunix??

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 16:19

>>24
Incompatible?
And why do I have several versions of many libraries in the pile of shit my /usr/lib is?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 16:25

>>26
They are Free (as in freedom) libraries. If you are not happy with that "pile of shit", you are most welcome to clean it up.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 17:12

>>27
Oh, I like freedom, and I like most of these libraries. But I don't like having 5 libraries to do the same task just because they're so free, I don't like having 3 versions of the same library just because some retard isn't sure about background compatibility, and most of all, I don't like the ugly piece of shit the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard is and what a shitbox my /usr/lib has become.

As a supporter of free software (yes, even if I don't capitalize free, and no, I don't think GNAA GPL is absolutely free), I wonder why most of it has to be such an ugly mess.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-07 22:36

because its so free that most people dont care to fix it.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-08 0:19

>>29
That's wrong, a lot of freeware authors update their software often.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-08 3:24

>>30
Yeah, but some problems are more boring than others.

Name: revellion !zPJjhQdCZo 2005-12-08 3:40

>>1
All flames/trolls aside...

How long does a cold-startup of Firefox take for you?
and what are the specs of the box?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-08 10:04

>>32
Not >>1 here, but I have yet to see a Lunix starting Firefox in less than 1,5 more time than on Windows on the same machine.

Name: revellion !zPJjhQdCZo 2005-12-08 18:06

>>33
Gonna test it out over here.

Testing with...
Linux 2.6.12 with XFCE4 desktop on it running Firefox 1.5
Windows XP SP2(freshly installed) running Firefox 1.5

gonna test both cold-startup speeds. i.e first time, and warm ones.

Returning with results soon :)

Name: revellion !zPJjhQdCZo 2005-12-08 18:18

---Cold---
Linux: 5.8 seconds
WinXP: 5.2 seconds
---Warm---
Linux: 2.6 seconds
WinXP: 4.2 seconds

Same box with Dual-boot FYI.
so in this case the startup speed awards goes to WinXP. but by a margin that most users would'nt notice.

On the speed for Warm startup i can't really explain why it takes longer for WinXP on that one. perhaps Linux does some caching magic here.

Disclaimer: Both these systems were quite recently setup and so are quite clean.

Specs of the box used to test.

600mhz Cellery *cough* Celeron.
512MB SD-RAM
nVidia GeForce 440-MX PCI
20GB Drive @ ATA-66. unknown brand.

Distro/Products used in the test
Ubuntu Linux 5.10(Breezy)
Windows XP SP2

Name: revellion !zPJjhQdCZo 2005-12-08 18:24

>>35
Wait, i noticed Ubuntu does use ReadAhead. which might've scewed the results a tad.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 0:31

>>35
u gotta be shitting me. my firefork startup speed on wxp is less than 1.5 second.

Name: revellion !zPJjhQdCZo 2005-12-09 11:30

>>37
You have a 600Mhz Duron too? :)

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 11:31

>>38
Correction: Celeron

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 11:53

I had a Celeron processor once. But the rubber band broke.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 16:04

I am talking out of my ass, but I think that with better CPUs the Windows version would outperform better the Linux version, since the bottleneck would be the HD, and the Linux version loads more stuff that isn't likely to be in memory.

What Linux really needs to address this issue is to manage apps like OS X, separate the last window from the process. Not like it's ever gonna happen though.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-09 19:36

>>1
What distro are you using, that things like Firefox take forever to load?

I use a Debian box and WinXP (SP2) box at work.  The Deb is on a 1 GHz AMD, the XP box a 2 GHz AMD, both with 512 MB RAM.  Firefox takes five seconds to load cold on Debian, only two seconds tops to load warm.  On WinXP it takes at *least* five seconds to load every single time, cold or warm.

And, oh, yes, the XP box is as finely tuned, virus free, and spyware free as humanly possible, while the Debian box is pure stock, nothing customized.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 5:59

separate the last window from the process
Do what now?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 11:09 (sage)

>>43
Not quit the application when you close its window but only when you tell it to quit. Only OS X does things that way.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 14:45

I'm >>1, and here's my data. I've been running these a few times and averaging the results.

Hardware: Athlon 64 3500+ Venice, 1 GB RAM, SATA HD
OS: Windows 2000, SuSE 9.2 Professional with KDE
Application: Furfox 1.5

1. First startup time
Windows: 5.9 seconds
Linux: 10.8 seconds (83% slower)

2. Second startup time *
Windows: 0.7 seconds
Linux: 6.7 seconds (857% slower)

3. Next startups time
Windows: 0.7 seconds
Linux: 1.6 seconds (129% slower)

4. Launching a new window (by clicking on the icon) after the browser is open
Windows: 0.2 seconds
Linux: 0.75 seconds (275% slower)


This is what I'm saying. It's notably slower when creating windows, and always slower loading. Surprisingly, the system cache leaves much to be desired too; for some reason the second time around seems as if it weren't fully cached.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 14:51

10 fucking seconds? How are you managing that? My first Failfox session of the day takes awhile to start, but not that long!

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 15:01

>>46
CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN YO.
No, seriously, what's your distro >>45 ? There is something horribly wrong with this performance on both OS.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 16:13

>>47 I'm not >>45 but I can answer your question on his behalf:
SuSE 9.2 Professional with KDE

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-10 18:52

>>46
I didn't think it was THAT long too, but time your startup, time runs faster when you're not looking at the watch :)

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