I'm in the marktet for a new computer, and I'm building in from scratch.
I'm now looking for a monitor, and I'm done a little reaserch on thje subject already...
I will be using this monitor mostly to watch movies, surf the net, play games, and maybe edit a few family photos...
My new Video Card will be something on the calibur of a 7800 GT.
My question to you is which kind of monitor gives the best display today?
I'm shooting for a 20 - 21" monitor. I'm still fond of CRTs, and currently have an old 17" KDS. Do any of the higher-end LCDs surpass higher-end CRTs in image quality. I am not too pleased with the idea of a fixed resolution or viewing angle, nor dead pixels. Are these fears well-founded?
Could you make me some recommendations an a good display..
Space isn't really a concern for me in any case.
Thank you for your time..
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Anonymous2005-12-05 2:16
No question about it, CRTs give you the best display quality for the buck as well as faster response time.
On the other hand, try carrying a 21" CRT to a LAN party.
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Anonymous2005-12-05 6:09
Flat CRT all the way. Here's a list of reasons why you should get a CRT, in no particular order:
- Better image quality
- No interpolation ever in any graphic mode
- Response time shorter than you can notice
- More contrast and easier to distinguish colors
- Can be viewed from much wider angles sideways and up/down
- Much cheaper
- Heavier, which is an advantage if you're working on a table and your lightweight monitor swings and vibrates
- Sturdy
- More durable
- No dead pixels
- Can sync many modes, including custom modes, and work at many refresh rates
Here's a list of TFT advantages over CRTs:
- It looks awesomekewl, like those Star Trek moniters, LOL!!!11one1
- You can carry it around like your cellular, LOL!
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Anonymous2005-12-06 12:12
>>3
CRT idd owns TFT. Wouldn't call the weight a 'pro', though.
The only thing with a TFT is that you eyes never hurt after hours in front of your screen (on a CRT it depends on the quality)
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Anonymous2005-12-06 15:02
>>4
It depends on quality (focus, stability, both of which decrease with age) but it mostly depends on the refresh rate. Just set it as high as you can for your choice of mode. For example, if you're running 1064x800 on a monitor with a maximum horizontal frequency of 69 KHz, have it set to 80-82 Hz. You can also rice the sync settings for 1-2 more Hz.
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Anonymous2005-12-06 15:23
>>3
ADDING LOL!!!1!11!!one AT THE END OF YOUR ARGUMENTS TO REFUTE THEM TOROUGHLY FTW
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Anonymous2005-12-06 15:27
>>6
Well, LOL!!!1!11!!one is idiotic, and wanting a TFT because it looks so cool being flat is idiotic, so it suits the point. I can't reason against that, because there's no reason for it, it's sheer snob stupidity.
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Anonymous2005-12-06 15:30
considerably less glare with a TFT
and you save about 2 and a half cubic feet
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Same anonymous2005-12-06 16:45
>>5
Yes, but TFT don't suffer from such frequency issues. And I can't afford to buy a new CRT to replace this one (which cannot go over 72 Hz without flickering)
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Anonymous2005-12-06 17:11
>>8 considerably less glare with a TFT
That's true, an advantage - although you can't really benefit from it if you can't actually look at it sideways because colors go fubar.
you save about 2 and a half cubic feet
You save about 2.5 cubic feet you don't need because putting stuff behind your monitor is impractical and putting your monitor further away is useless. Besides these zomg awesomecool Star Trek flat monitors come with zomg r0x0r modern art base which wastes most of the space you supposedly saved.
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Anonymous2005-12-06 17:16
>>9
They don't have frequency issues but they have latency issues, which are worse. You have latency in all modes, while CRTs frequency problems only happen in modes your monitor wasn't really designed to be used at and you shouldn't use. A 98 KHz monitor is fine too, it'll run modes like 1472x1104 at 85 Hz.
Wait, if you can't afford a CRT, you can't afford a TFT.
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CCFreak2K!mgsA1X/tJA2005-12-06 19:21
My monolithic NEC MultiSync FP1350X serves me well.
My flat-but-heavy NEC MultiSync LCD 1510+ also serves me well.
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Anonymous2005-12-06 19:32
My SyncMaster 570S TFT serves me well too.
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Anonymous2005-12-06 22:46
Using a Dell 20" wide-aspect LCD now. Was using a ViewSonic 17" graphics series CRT before. Been pretty damn happy with the Dell, worth every penny for the wide-aspect IMO.
I resisted getting a LCD for a quite while, sharing many of >>3's concerns but after a while, I realised what really mattered to me was just desktop resolution and physical volume. The rest were nice to have the best of but there weren't deal breakers.
Honestly, if you're not a hardcore gamer and not a demanding graphics artist, why not go for a nice, large LCD?
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Anonymous2005-12-07 5:27
>>14
Because
1. It's more expensive
2. it's slow
3. Image quality isn't as good, that's true regardless of what you want to do with it
4. If you're not working at the native resolution it's fugly
5. You can't look it from sidewals
6. It's less durable and sturdy
7. It's less stable when you're working on your desk
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Anonymous2005-12-07 7:18
LCDs are where everything is heading. Lag issues havent been a problem in ages, that is if you dont have a cheap ass vid card or a shit monitor.
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A demanding graphic artist2005-12-07 8:58
A high-quality LCD. What said >>15 is mostly false for the recent high-quality model. 17" LCD and CRT are starting to be in the same price range, and 19" LCD are not much more expensive than CRTs.
Good LCDs have no noticeable latency. Unless you are some "pro" gamer this is not an issue. When you use the native resolution it looks great.
Some LCDs have very good angles. I know that 4 persons could sit just in front of mine and see what is going on. It is also stable if you use a good support (most LCDs ship with a good one, looks are deceiving) or fixation.
Wouldn't argue that they are better at durability and sturdiness, but unlike LCDs, their darker colors don't start to look like shit in 3 years.
I have experience with a shitty 15" DELL laptop monitor that does everything wrong, and a 19" Hyundai L90D+ display that does everything right. I'd recommend a LCD for most uses, as long as you can try before you buy since dead pixels are the biggest problem with LCDs.
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Anonymous2005-12-07 12:21
>>16
"where everything is heading"
"Lag issues havent been a problem in ages, that is if you dont have a cheap ass vid card"
You've just proven you have no fucking idea.
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Anonymous2005-12-07 12:29
>>17 What said >>15 is mostly false for the recent high-quality model.
Even if it's higher quality, it still doesn't look as good as a CRT and you can't tell close colors apart; it's still slower; it still looks like ass on all resolutions but one; it still has crappy angles (colors are worse from the sides, and vertical angles are still crappy); and worst of all, it's much more expensive. Why coping with all that crap and paying thrice as much just to have a monitor like those from sci-fi movies lolol r0x0r omg? TFTs are a waste of money.
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Anonymous2005-12-07 13:01
Because they DON'T STRAIN MY FUCKING EYES, that's why.
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Anonymous2005-12-07 13:30
>>11
They indeed do. I heard new ones have 4 or 8 ms latency time, which is getting better, but it's still worse than a CRT and much more expensive.
And I don't have money to buy a new TFT either, I just stick with what I have right now.
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Anonymous2005-12-07 15:00
>>20
CRTs don't either, unless you lose at configuring them.
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A demanding graphic artist2005-12-07 15:11
>>19
I only want to use the native resolution anyway, and I never ever felt the need to watch my monitor from any other angle than facing. If i want to see it from a distance, I can rotate it. They are not that much more expensive than CRT now, and the trend should continue.
I also like being able to distinguish every single pixel clearly without zooming, the quality of antialiasing for LCD on OS X, and being able to play tate shmups only by rotating the screen by 90 degrees without waiting 15 minutes for degaussing.
I only want to use the native resolution anyway
Games
I never ever felt the need to watch my monitor from any other angle than facing.
Ever watched movies from your bed, invited someone else, did some work while writing on your desk or elsewhere, etc.?
They are not that much more expensive than CRT now
The cheap ones are more expensive and look much worse. The expensive ones are much more expensive and look worse.
I also like being able to distinguish every single pixel clearly without zooming
You can do that with CRTs. My Philips 107X is great at it; in fact, sometimes I think it's even too sharp.
the quality of antialiasing for LCD on OS X
Huh? You mean blurriness by not working at the native resolution, or software antialiasing in games, fonts, etc.? If it's the later, you guessed it, it looks better on CRTs, just like everything else.
being able to play tate shmups only by rotating the screen by 90 degrees
Ok, you've found the first advantage. A really bizarre, uncommon one, but an advantage nonetheless.
without waiting 15 minutes for degaussing
15 minutes?? More like, a few seconds.
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Anonymous2005-12-07 16:35
Only the recent games will pose problems to get that resolution. Not my case.
Never had problems with the angles like you said, did most of those things.
The price on LCDs is going down all the time.
Never had that sharpness on "pro" CRTs, I'll have to believe you on that
Regarding antialiasing, I meant the font antialiasing. Since I spend hours reading on screen it is very important for me. The antialiasing algorithms used for CRT and LCD are different and I like the way it is done in OS X on LCD, but let's not drag this into the debate since it's mostly some software thing.
And given the amount of wapaneses on 4chan, I definitely am not the only one who would find that rotation thing useful for this purpose.
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zeppy!GuxAK3zcH.2005-12-07 16:39
LCD sux. Low refresh for the lose
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Anonymous2005-12-07 17:06
>>25 Never had problems with the angles like you said, did most of those things.
The more you look at it from a side, the worse to distinguish colors get.
Never had that sharpness on "pro" CRTs, I'll have to believe you on that
Ever tried Philips' or LG's high end stuff?
The antialiasing algorithms used for CRT and LCD are different and I like the way it is done in OS X on LCD
Oh, that. Yes, it helps, but it also introduces color noise which is not always desirable, and usually noticeable unless you work at a high resolution where full pixel antialiasing wouldn't be a problem.
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Anonymous2005-12-12 17:59
The higher end LCD market is certainly where you should be looking. I've looked at several name-brand CRTs side by side with several name-brand LCDs at the local CompUSA. I happily walked out with two Samsung 193P 19" LCDs (roughly $600 each, 1280x1024 native res). There -is- a certain amount of ghosting when running games full screen, but windowed there's no problem with ghosting. Also, the picture quality of this Samsung model is just as great if not better than the two Sony LCDs priced $800-$1,000 beside it. For my primary purpose of doing web pages and imagery, these two monitors (ran on a dual-head card) are simply gorgeous. And they're not that bad for running games in windowed mode or a smaller full-screen resolution (1024x768) either.
Apparently the folks saying "CRTs are higher quality lolz", are the same folks who've ran out and purchased a CRT in the $100-$300 range and compared it to a $100-$300 LCD. It's like comparing apples and oranges - CRTs and LCDs are not the same. If you want quality, nine times out of ten it holds true -- you have to pay for it, period.
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