If Shouko Nakamura is coming, can we expect some Umakoshi with her?
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Anonymous2013-10-05 18:46
>>154
If you have two different cuts at 24fps on 1s, with the EXACT same amount of frames, how do you decide which is better? Both have the same "amount" of movement you know? Or do you mean diegetic movement of the things animated? So large-scale action is inherently better than character acting because the characters "move more"?
The Chuu2 cut is actually one twos but it still moves better.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 3:00
I did not join the discussion so far (I rarely post here), but I'll chip in and say that character acting is the epitome of good animation. It is painfully hard to get right - which is why more often than not, especially in anime, character acting relies on symbolic action and visual cliches to convey a character's personality /emotions etc- and even harder to do well. And this goes beyond technicalities like physically believable movement or hiding your key frames. When you do character acting you have to defeat an obstacle that action or effects animation does not have: the incredible familiarity the viewer has with the subject. It's easier to fake a couple of swords slashing or a bomb blowing up than a smile or a frown, because your audience sees one a lot more often than the other and can spot the flaws in it much easier (we could bring in a side-subject about the uncanny valley and all that at this point).
"Weight and momentum" is not all that matters. There's also expressivity, what a cut of animation "communicates" to the audience.
Sadly, most "sakuga" fans are not actually fans of animation at large, but fans of good action scenes. Just looking through this thread makes that a dead give-away. Or looking at those MAD abominations that are 90% 'xction and 'splosions. Or maybe I am the odd one. Whatever.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 4:15
>>168 those MAD abominations that are 90% 'xction and 'splosions
Have you considered the possibility that good action/effects animation are more common than good character acting in the first place when it comes to most anime?
I think it's more because the "normal sakuga" fans come from old shounen shows when the short but well-animated action scenes were the only reason why people were watching the show in the first place.
Just look how much attention Imaishi gets although his style is just a copy-paste of old Dezaki and Kanada nonsense.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 5:07
>>168
This is very true, but I think even beyond technicalities, good animation can 'communicate' without having characters emoting or whatever. I don't want to sound pretentious (I know I will), but I think Iso's rocks in RahXephon "speak" quite a bit as a work of animation, beyond being just well-observed. Same for Ohira's simple movements done with his particular approach- Wanwa has a ton of scenes without any acting or even without any discernible character, really, but it's pretty profound in the way abstract painting is. It gets to the core.
That said, there's plenty of good acting in Japanese animation, and I don't think using symbols is all that bad- it's when those symbols lose their freshness and start being used in trite ways. With animation you practically can't avoid relying on symbols, literal acting works with real people because they have all the facial and bodily features that subtly communicate emotions, whereas animation designs will be stylized one way or another basically by necessity. Thus your movement has to be stylized to exploit that.
Junkers Come Here, Only Yesterday, My Neighbours the Yamadas, A Letter to Momo, Hosoda's films, Tokyo Godfathers. All of those have really good character acting and they come from roughly different (but not THAT different in most cases) traditions.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 5:11
>>167
Yeah I was arguing against the "frames" guy. Maybe a weird example on my part, but my point was that the amount of frames doesn't matter. I agree with you.
>>179
Not impressed by the opening animation.
The older openings were cooler.
Yozokura Quartet OP is definitely out.
Now waiting for Kill La Kill OP and Space Dandy OP.
Kazuto Nakazawa is this years Nr.1 OP animator.
I wonder if Kill La Kill can top that.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 12:12
>>162 If you have two different cuts at 24fps on 1s, with the EXACT same amount of frames, how do you decide which is better?
That's stupid. I mean cuts were you can see that there is more movement than in others. And yes, action scenes have generally more movement than character animation, because there is usually not only the animated character, but additionally the background, other characters, the action himself and so on.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 12:14
Nakazawa OP is this months most interesting sakuga.
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Space Dandy would be a perfect fir for Nakazawa.
Dandy's character designs fits great to his dynamic style and the way he draws human body.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 12:20
>>184
I'm sure he will work on Space Dandy.
Just look at his work resume.
He did solo OP for Kids on the Slope.
He did the character design for Samurai Champloo
Worked on Watanabe's Animatrix
that guy screams for Space Dandy.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 12:21
>>165
What's the problem? The second pic alone looks like sakuga material:
And why should I be the troll? Also, except for Michiko Hatchin I think (when they were good) anyone without the knowledge would say a manglobe series is unfinished.
Quite possible that they have production problems, but since it's the first time and the anime is 2 cour I would think otherwise. Something content-related maybe.
Is there some ceremony wich celebrates animator in japan
I dont know how to explain that
There is the anime grand prix (dont know the exact english name) where you can see madoka tv series won or K-on
I want to know if there is a category animation , and if there is some celebration for great animator like ISO or INOUE.
Also there is websites wich list BUDGET of tv series ?
If i want to check how cost shingeki , it's possible ?
I dont even ask the salary of animator since i'm pretty sure i will not find out.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 16:53
>>186
How are >>168>>171 troll posts? We were pretty polite and tried to make some point, I gave examples of films even.
I think you just hate discussing.
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Anonymous2013-10-06 17:56
What does Main Animator mean?
I thought it means, that the animator will be working regularly in the show, like Nozomu Abe in Accel World.
but I was looking to Kazuto Nakazawa profile, and saw that he was Main Animator (eps 11, 13), Key Animation (OP1, ED2; 14,17,24,25).