Animation Appreciation thread #18

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Appreciate animation pls

>>279

Well, most of the positive stuff sound like trolling.

like the guy who talks about Bahi as the next Jesus and the other (same?) guy who posts totally not sakuga related blog posts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OD2MTrOwZQ

The only reaction possible
http://gifs.gifbin.com/227839420.gif

>>278
Many artists spend their life time reapeating (or refining) the same thing. I think it's fine as long as it's interesting. Novelty only lasts so long.

Mitsuo Iso is Jesus.

Ah, wait Mistuo Iso is god.

Ah wait, isn't Okiura god?

Oh wait, Hideaki Anno is god.

Then, who is Jesus?




oh god I hate this place so much, full of shitposts, I'm also out. See you never ever.

>>284
Nobody will miss you.

>>281
Anipages is sakuga related. You're stupid if you think otherwise.

>>284
You leaving will only improve this place. Thank you.

>>286
>personal opinion about anime
>without anything animation related

Sure, it's totally sakuga related.

>>286
Just because Ben blogs about sakuga doesn't mean every one of his article is sakuga related.
Some of them are just about his impressions on the anime.

>>287
>Article about Arasan and Kanada school
>Article about Kaname pro and Giants.
>Not about animation.
I don't understand how your mind works. Do you have some type of diagnosis?

>>289
He clearly wasn't talking about that article, he's talking these
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/the-life-of-gusko-budori
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/anime-mirai-2011
which got posted and caused shitstorm in the previous thread

The Kanada school posts are also pretty pretentious ("decadent phase" - using words the wrong way isn't cool either).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoOp1vf98ac

Kyousougiga TVCM

>>291
decadence:
moral or cultural decline as characterized by excessive indulgence in pleasure or luxury

I think you may just suck at reading?

>>293

Not him but even overusing the kanada style will not lead to a moral and cultural decline.
And the part about pleasure and luxury... well.

I know what he means but it's not well-written. Kanada isn't the fresh and innovative animation school anymore but just one way to animate something like all the other "schools".
The biggest problem of the Kanada style is that it doesn't look very good for the most times.

>>293

You can't read or?

>>294
You know what he means because people intuitively know what "decadence" means in most contexts where it is used. It's not hard to grasp, and really >>291 seems like a (incorrect) nitpick because you wanted to call the guy pretentious.

Now onto more on-topic stuff:
The decline not moral AND cultural, it's just a cultural decline (i.e. decline in the artistic quality of that kind of animation).
Excessive indulgence means they just stylize things in that way for the sake of doing it, because they just love shading and marked poses, instead of trying to progress and evolve the style in any way. I can agree with that when it comes to Arasan and most new Kanada animators, their work is stale and uninteresting. They don't seem to be thinking about what they draw so much as aping their heroes mindlessly.

Imaishi is a good example of a good "new" Kanada animator, because not only he ramped up the speed and craziness (making people turn into blobs), but he brought a cartoony sensibility to his animation that makes it much nicer to watch and far more individualistic than most other copycats'.
I think he is an amazing animator and, frankly, I'd have preferred if he stayed as an animator. His shows are good, but the side-effect is that he animates less, and what makes his aesthetic REALLY worthy is his own animation more than anything else. IMO his best achievement as a director was FLCL 5, after that he has done countless cool things but nothing on that level.

>>296

Now you changed the meaning of the word. That's not how terminology works, that's the way how "buzzwords" are made.
There is no reason to defend Ben. If he writes stupid things then it's okay to call it nonsense.

And there isn't no "decline in animation", it's just that the bunch of animators are at a creative dead end. Either the style has substance and it's okay and good if you animate things in the "Kanada school" style or it was just a fad.

>>297
>And there isn't a

>>297
But the "style" is not one defined entity, each animator does different things. The Kanada of Kanada had substance, the Kanada of Arasan doesn't. It's when the Arasans become ubiquitous that you say "Kanada style" has become decadent.

Actually, that post in Anipages explains it well beyond that word you seem to fear:
It's all carefully polished stylization, where the master was all about dynamism at the expense of polish. The style is just what resulted; it wasn't the goal [...] It's not unpleasant to watch. It's just predictable. It was fun back then because it was like they were sneaking it in.

Whether or not that is actually true is debatable, but I find myself agreeing with it.

>>299

That's no explenation for "decadent". He is missing creativity and innovation, an opinion I would share (not just today but already 20 years ago).

Not sure why he can't just write it without that he thinks he needs such a pretentious writing style.

>>253
I'm watching it, Black Fish was crazy as fuck.
Didn't care for Manipulated Man though. It's kinda... dry and alienating, and I can't make any sense of it. I have watched some other things by that guy and never liked his style either.

>>301

Yeah, Black Fish  was interesting but it started kinda slow.  I liked it from the half-way point. Creepy faces, spooky shit. Don't know what that was supposed to be but it was really cool.

>>302
It was unsettling, but I always like psych shorts.

I think my favourite is Tokyo Strut, that was just baller. 12 O'clock was a pretty cool play of shapes too, and Yamamura always does great stuff.
The rest were hit & miss, but that's how it always is with compilations so whatever.

4.44 will be 3 hours
with few 3d (come on anno , delete those 3d shits)
1 full hour of SOLO ISO mitsuo animation in full 24 i/s

The dvd will feature Nausicaa 2 short also directed by Anno

release in 2015

the world will collapse under the fire of americans destroying middle east


Mark my words

I'm Eva-13


We all gonna to die.

More like, 1h30m to 2h max. Just like before.
A handful of 3D just like before.
And no Iso.

That would be so cool , a full animated movie of more than 2H30
I dont think it ever happened  ( i'm not talking about a movie wich uses already footage but full original one)

Before you complain about CGshit watch Yamato 2199 and Macross F to see what kind of CG actually looks like shit.

I can feel that the good posters are gone now.

I'm also out,

>>304 is my reason.
good bye.

>>308

How many times are you going to leave?

>>306
The Haruhi movie is 162 min if that helps you.

I heard of that

so they really animated 162 minutes ?

wow

It's worth watching ?

>>311

If you're a Haruhi fan, yes. If you just want to watch it for the good animation you'll get bored (it's slow paced).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raxSiRk3jqw

Updated Kurita MAD

>>313
Kurita is fantastic, for real.

He is on the top.

His work on Nanoha was shit though, but everything else is genius.

he is Yutapon school animator, you can see that clearly in his work on Seikishi.

>>314

Kurita for Space Dandy please.

He is great.

Why do animators like Kurita and Kameda do some really great work, but also some really decent work.

>>316
because motivation goes up and down depending on the projects they work on.

Of course his animation on Nanoha sucked, that show doesn't even deserve his good quality animation.

>>316
Depends on factors like time constraints

>>317
His Nanoha scene suffers from being "covered up" with poorly-implemented digital effects.

http://sakuga.yshi.org/pool/show/15

Stranger key animation book